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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Amazingly there are still posters on here who think this squad is a match for any team in SL - bizarre'"
Amazingly they were posters on here before the 2015 season saying we had no chance of being top 4 as we wouldn't beat the top teams in the league.
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| Quote ="WF Rhino"However a statement like that clearly proves that his time as the Leeds head coach is up. A month ago he was claiming he learnt his lesson on playing unfit and injured players and more time should have been spent getting those players up to speed and now he is stating that injured players will be played on the opening week!'"
Has he actually said injured players will play that game? I doubt he's already decided his 17 for the game. More a case he means some players may not have got as much pre-season fitness/games under their belts, happens every year that you usually get a couple who don't feature much if at all in pre-season because they've had operations. Sutcliffe an example last year. Every team will have a player or two in their opening day 17 who won't have got any preseason games under their belts.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Has he actually said injured players will play that game? I doubt he's already decided his 17 for the game. More a case he means some players may not have got as much pre-season fitness/games under their belts, happens every year that you usually get a couple who don't feature much if at all in pre-season because they've had operations. Sutcliffe an example last year. Every team will have a player or two in their opening day 17 who won't have got any preseason games under their belts.'"
Suttcliffe who he nearly ruined?
Re-hab during the week jabbed up then rolled out on match day up until May & was slated by many?
His man management is sh#* proved time & time again.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Amazingly they were posters on here before the 2015 season saying we had no chance of being top 4 as we wouldn't beat the top teams in the league.'"
You still had Sinfield and Peacock and McGuire, Burrow, JJB, Ablett were two years younger so there was always a chance they could so something.
That looks a pretty weak pack unless something has changed over the winter - Ferres hardly pulled up any trees last year either with him Ablett/JJB/Delaney as the main stay of the back row doesn't look great?
Add to that no hooker, no half backs and rookie full back - season looks full of promise
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You still had Sinfield and Peacock and McGuire, Burrow, JJB, Ablett were two years younger so there was always a chance they could so something.'"
Yet even armed with that information with regards to squad lineup/age some people still said they had NO chance of doing anything. It's only now retrospectively that those people are saying we always had a chance with Sinfield & Peacock still here......those two were being written off just as much as any others by some on here that only saw a bleak 2015 in store.
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| Most folks view on 2015 was coloured by the meek exit from the playoffs after an admittedly emotionally draining CC assault.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Suttcliffe who he nearly ruined?
Re-hab during the week jabbed up then rolled out on match day up until May & was slated by many?
His man management is sh#* proved time & time again.'"
Nearly ruined? Nice exaggeration. I forgot that every other coach only ever sends out 17 players who are fully fit and fresh as daisies every week.
Man management so sh#*e that he's managed to get the team off the floor three times at various stages of the 2011/2012/2015 seasons to win a GF. Let me guess it was all Sinfield that.
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| Nearly ruined is a bit OTT.
I reckon JP must have been ruined by about 2010 if so. Mind you, he'd probably agree
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Has he actually said injured players will play that game? I doubt he's already decided his 17 for the game. More a case he means some players may not have got as much pre-season fitness/games under their belts, happens every year that you usually get a couple who don't feature much if at all in pre-season because they've had operations. Sutcliffe an example last year. Every team will have a player or two in their opening day 17 who won't have got any preseason games under their belts.'"
He said that some blokes will not be fully fit but will be ready to play. That is a bit of a vague statement and could mean that some players wont have done much during preseason or it could mean some will be carrying minor injuries that could be played through. The problem I have with his statement is that in the YEP in October McDermott identified one of our biggest problems this year was bringing players back before they were ready. Now they may not be 100% conflicting statements his previous record in regards to flogging players does make me worry that a one legged Delaney will be hopping out on to the Totally Wicked pitch on the 9th February.
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| Quote ="WF Rhino"Quote ="ThePrinter"Has he actually said injured players will play that game? I doubt he's already decided his 17 for the game. More a case he means some players may not have got as much pre-season fitness/games under their belts, happens every year that you usually get a couple who don't feature much if at all in pre-season because they've had operations. Sutcliffe an example last year. Every team will have a player or two in their opening day 17 who won't have got any preseason games under their belts.'"
He said that some blokes will not be fully fit but will be ready to play. That is a bit of a vague statement and could mean that some players wont have done much during preseason or it could mean some will be carrying minor injuries that could be played through. The problem I have with his statement is that in the YEP in October McDermott identified one of our biggest problems this year was bringing players back before they were ready. Now they may not be 100% conflicting statements his previous record in regards to flogging players does make me worry that a one legged Delaney will be hopping out on to the Totally Wicked pitch on the 9th February.'"
If any of our players are hopping out onto the pitch on one leg for the first game then our conditioning team need sacking.
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| Quote ="FGB"If any of our players are hopping out onto the pitch on one leg for the first game then our conditioning team need sacking.'"
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| Quote ="WF Rhino"He said that some blokes will not be fully fit but will be ready to play. That is a bit of a vague statement and could mean that some players wont have done much during preseason or it could mean some will be carrying minor injuries that could be played through.'"
It will be the former. It's not like the game is a week or two away. I doubt that with over 8 weeks to go until that first game he can be certain that someone will still have a minor injury and will be playing that game.
Basically what he should've said is that everyone looks like they'll be fine for the start of the season* but some won't have had as much preseason as others as they've been recovering from injuries during the offseason.
*I'd guess he forgot about Galloway who it was already well known wouldn't be ready for the start of the season.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Nearly ruined? Nice exaggeration. I forgot that every other coach only ever sends out 17 players who are fully fit and fresh as daisies every week.
Man management so sh#*e that he's managed to get the team off the floor three times at various stages of the 2011/2012/2015 seasons to win a GF. Let me guess it was all Sinfield that.'"
Yes nearly ruined by playing him on 1 decent leg in a struggling team & dont give it was a worthwhile gamble the kid was getting slated on here & at games.
His man management is that great he repeatedly picks players injured & not replaces them during games asap ,only using 16 players in games & ignoring others who are fit and playing well on dual reg.
In terms of having 17 fully fit players he had plenty of chances to rest injured players & ignored it.
As for our success is it purely down to him or as by his own admittence on numerous occassions just as much the influence JP & Sinfied had in that team lets be straight he (Mc.D) has hardly inspired since their departure.
But then again kiwi game floods injuries etc etc although we did improve beating a Wigan team missing 9/10 players Hull FC who btw weren't all that when we played em then we have the middle 8's against 3 poor SL teams 1 of which beat us & 4 Championship clubs hardly inspires going forward.
The only bright spots were Segeyaro( now gone) & Youngsters getting enforced gametime but personally i dont trust him to develop them.
Hopefully we win summat & have a great season either way i hope he's gone at the end of the year.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Nearly ruined is a bit OTT.
I reckon JP must have been ruined by about 2010 if so. Mind you, he'd probably agree
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"You can hardly compare anyone with a player who lets be honest is a 1 of a kind in that regard.'"
Fair point though Sutty isn't the first to have played injured and jabbed. As a player he strikes me as being extremely tough mentally, not the kind to wilt because the fans get on his back. Under the circs, I'd probably agree that playing him wasn't the wisest; then again, if we'd won another treble I wouldn't have given it a thought. Just glad I don't have to make that call tbh.
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| Quote ="Clearwing"Fair point though Sutty isn't the first to have played injured and jabbed. As a player he strikes me as being extremely tough mentally, not the kind to wilt because the fans get on his back. Under the circs, I'd probably agree that playing him wasn't the wisest; then again, if we'd won another treble I wouldn't have given it a thought. Just glad I don't have to make that call tbh.'"
Playing him so early was ridiculous imo at least give him 4/6weeks continuous rehab then maybe a couple of short stinys on dual reg.
Don't forget it wasn't a big semi-final or final or a jabbed up knock it was a 6mth injury that can end careers.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Don't forget it wasn't a big semi-final or final or a jabbed up knock it was a 6mth injury that can end careers.'"
Thought he was out for longer tbh. I'll have to take your word for his condition and fitness on his return as I don't know the details. Definitely a reckless decision to bring him back if your facts are correct.
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| Quote ="RHINO-MARK"Playing him so early was ridiculous imo at least give him 4/6weeks continuous rehab then maybe a couple of short stinys on dual reg.
Don't forget it wasn't a big semi-final or final or a jabbed up knock it was a 6mth injury that can end careers.'"
Probably was a result of our ridiculously small squad last year, something which seems to have been recognised and at least partially fixed.
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| Quote ="Barrie's Glass Eye"Probably was a result of our ridiculously small squad last year, something which seems to have been recognised and at least partially fixed.'"
In what way? So far we have brought in two rookies from the championship who have been sent back there with Fev, so its highly unlikely they will be trusted next year at least.In the meantime we have lost Hardaker and Segeyaro. Will be interesting to see how he uses Baldwinson next year.he had the perfect opportunity to use him and get him game time with all the injuries and out of form forwards this season, yet he was overlooked completely.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"In what way? So far we have brought in two rookies from the championship who have been sent back there with Fev, so its highly unlikely they will be trusted next year at least.In the meantime we have lost Hardaker and Segeyaro. Will be interesting to see how he uses Baldwinson next year.he had the perfect opportunity to use him and get him game time with all the injuries and out of form forwards this season, yet he was overlooked completely.'"
The two signings are depth signings. We have expanded our first team squad from the paper thin 25 to a seemingly normal in terms of SL 30. At the very least it looks like we have attempted to address the problem, though I agree it is far from perfect.
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