The fact that you don't know the difference between not/reluctantly cheering a player and fully booing and cheering when someone puts a big hit on them, is embarrassing.

But im on about the game last night, What are you on about?!

I'd give it up as a bad job if I were you Loz.

I thought it was straight forward, we were there to support England last night - whoever was playing. Sadly, some people just cannot see past club rivalry and get behind all 17 players.

BOOOOOO!

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exactly

Indeed, and on a Feckwitt Scale of 1 to 10, the sundry moreporks on this thread all score 10's.

I'm also in no doubt that the vast majority of them booing Tomkins yesterday were Rhinos Feckwitts.

Again - You don't have to be an England supporter to have watched the game last night.

For me, club comes before country in rugby league (I don't think i'm alone in that view), on that note I think we may need to agree to disagree on this one.

It is said that he was visibly shaken after the game because of the booing,so it may be a blessing in disguise for young master Tomkins,maybe he will see the error of his way's and stop cheating and become a better person and player

In part I agree, but, honestly has his on-field antics in the last 18 months been worse than ANY player we've had playing for England recently? What if Lee Briers had played for GB at Knowsley Road a week after acting like a tart for a penalty again? I suspect the timing of the game, more so than the location of it is a major factor.

Part of it has to be looked at in context - the trapping the arm thing does my nut in as it detracts from the skills he's got. I don't want to have to talk about his play-acting as he's just far too good for that, but he needs to learn to remove it entirely from his game. But if he was an average player doing it, no-one would create such a fuss about it.

FWIW, there is a notable reduction in how often he's done it this season, but if he was playing for Hull KR and doing this, would it get the same reaction? Or if this was Wigan under Noble in 2007?

Somehow, I doubt it.

Or, maybe he'll become disenchanted with England and become yet another top class player that just doesn't care about England as much as his club.

For England's sake, I hope not.

Not if you're a Cas fan, a number of whom came to support the exiles, replica shirts and all, because Rangi Chase was playing.

That says all you need to know about the club v country debate.

Which Tomkins do you dislike? and which brother are you on about further into your post?

Massive leap away from facts there Adey

"scathing attack on Leeds fans" and "clearly sure that Leeds fans were primarily to blame". Those are your words, not his and they're faleshoods.

Here's something that isn't a falsehood. Last night wasn't a Leeds game. Last night the Southstand was full of fans of many, many clubs.

However, even if Peacock had said the words you falesely put in his mouth I'll happily gainsay him. What clue does he have where the boos eminate from in a crowd and which club loyalties those boo-ers have? Maybe he was scouring the southstand for club jerseys which might explain his sub par performance.

Also, JP needs to re-asess his priorities. He should be Leeds first as he was selected last night on reputation, not form. How he got picked ahead of Crabtree is beyond me. Jamie might want to put Leeds first if he wants to regain his international form.

Sound response G and although i don't direct this at Adey it'll fall on deaf ears.
The fact is some RL hacks are reporting it as "leeds fans" exclusively so must be true and the blind idots who missed the shirts from other clubs all over the SS will continue to believe so.
I'll also add that imo whilst half the England team is selected on past form there'll be fewer and fewer fans who take them seriously and tbh they were lucky that Silverwa#* was so poor last night otherwise the deficit would of being much bigger.

Sam doesn't get booed at any ground bar leeds so i'd put it down to you dopey lot

Just shows how good he is that you have to do that even though he's playing for england pretty sad

What do you mean start? They're past masters at it.

Bunch o' hypocrites.

I'm sure Sam will get over it! He's probably out with his mates 'planking' as we speak like any normal 22-year old.

Love the profile the Wire is the best program ever made and has spoilt TV for me.

Off topic but just wanted to say that.

Not sure that's strictly true actually.

For what it's worth I thought the booing of him was pretty pathetic. Not nasty, not premeditated just pathetic and a bit embarrasing for those that did.

The outcry though is really over the top and funny though. My dad and brother heard about 20 lads near them doing it and they've no idea who they support.

The fact they weren't drowned out by the other people in the ground is the worst thing about this.

I see what you are saying here! Where were all the pie fans out cheering the boo boys?

Again I think you pay your money you make your choice! if people boo or not is totally up to them.

as for JP I hope he was misquoted. But G1 was right in what he posted.

hear hear bang on the button

Hmm.

I see you did not choose to quote what I said shortly after (referring to someone making the same point - i.e. was it aimed at Leeds fans?):



Anyone reading the report must be given the clear impression that it was Leeds fans he was aiming his comments at. That means:

1 - He WAS, and the hack knew that
2 - He WAS, but the hack only surmised that
3 - he was NOT, and the hack wrongly surmised that he was. And in which case, the balloon should already have gone up but if not must surely do soon?

Given the very public antipathy towards Tomkins regularly (and understandably) displayed by many Leeds fans - far more than from any other club, even from Stains (bit like we saw from Stains re Newton), it is not difficult to see how 2 or 3 could arise, is it?

I suspect JP will come out and "clarify" his comments, saying he was not singling out Leeds fans - either of his own volition, or because GH has told him to. Until then, I (and pretty well every other reader outside of Leeds) can only read into the report what the hack clearly intended. "England captain Jamie Peacock has launched a furious attack aimed at fans of his own Leeds club". If there is falsehood, it is not initiated by me. I merely comment on what I have read. As you guys would do and do do if you read something affecting e.g. Bradford.

I'm afraid that IMO most of this thread comes across more as seeking to justify WHY the player was booed, along the lines of "it was not just Leeds fans", rather than debating whether it was right that he was.

And the comments about whether JP should have been in the side, and therefore in a position to make the comments, relate to a separate issue (and one I have more sympathy with). But on Friday night, rightly or wrongly, he was representing his country and so was entitled to and indeed expected to speak in that capacity. Are you seriously suggesting he should not and was not? His comments were IMO ill-judged, as they detracted big-time from the game, but it would seem he was speaking from the heart nevertheless?

Tbh, I have grown so disillusioned with the international game that I find it hard to get worked up about whether what happened was right or not. I believe it was not, and did the international game no favours, but realistically we will never catch up with the antipodeans anyway - they have far more money to spend and the game is much bigger over there - so does it matter in the wider scheme of things? Maybe not. Does it play into the hands of those who would prefer to see the back of the internationals? Probably. Still does not make it right though IMO.

Adey whilst pointing out that there were more just Leeds fans in the SS many posters have also said it's out of order to boo an England player just as we did after Mcguire was roundly jeered at Wigan.
We also had the whole "Saints and Leeds" players letting us down at the WC etc etc rather than the England squad and that too was pointed out by many as completely wrong.
Those who are pointing out their thoughts why they think he was booed are entitled to do so aswell but it's hardly showing support for doing it.
As for the international game as a whole how can you take a national team seriously when the coach gets the job on the back of some awful seasons as a club coach and half the team get selected no matter how good other players in SL have played.
I also agree re-how big the game is over there but we could be doing things much better imo.

I too suspect that this will happen and I too suspect that he will be [itold[/i to do this, mind, I suspect that most of the lines that are attributed to him in newpapers are fed to him too.

like you lot did with mcguire at the DW while playing for england?do you lot still wish he'd never played again after last years play off game?

Well said!!