Agree Freddy was my favorite player would make my team

I near-idolised Brad Fittler as a youth. He may count himself unfortunate to miss out to Lockyer and Hanley. Neither of whom I liked as much, but who I think were better players. Just.

*vomits*

Posting that once I could forgive. Twice?

No cake for you.

Jet lag and a very slow iPad.

The vomiting part attracted my attention as I've been in India this week and vomiting was very much a part of my customer training agenda ( not by design). Curried chick peas for breakfast- maybe a mistake looking back.

Schofield's prime was as a SO where is hopeless defence wasn't as exposed. He had far more natural ability than Senior as a centre but his application, dedication & defence wasn't a patch. I saw him first hand in his prime on the 92 tour when he led GB to their finest hour (& 20) in my experience in Melbourne, as a SO.
Hanley is the best player I have seen but never as a centre.

Total rubbish. Schoey was a centre for his prime. Moved to 6 later on. This talk of poor defense, most uk and outside backs of that generation were average defenders. I agree D was not his strong point, nor was it his focus. You can coach D you can't coach class.

He moved to SO at, I would guess, 22 or 23 y.o. He spent the vast majority of his Leeds career at SO. Interesting you excuse his terrible defence as most British centres were also crap at that time. That's OK then.

Don't no why people are bagging schofield a defence, yes it was not his strong point but he was a capable defender, no lee Jackson or Offiah.
When he went to balmain they gave him a roaming attacking role and let Wayne Pearce defend in the centre position. For the last 20 years we have been possessed with out defending the Aussies rather than out attacking them.

I would say Schoey was 26/27 before he played 6 regular for Leeds. I recon Holroyd was the Leeds 6 before Schoey. I think Holroyd got the gig from 1990. Can anyone help with better Leeds history than me?

IIRC, Schoey started playing at 6 in the late 80's. Holroyd emerged well after. Schoey was often moved to 7 to accommodate him. Holroyd's debut was in a 46-all draw with Sheffield Eagles, a few of our team, including Schoey, were away on international duty.

Holroyd made his debut in 1994.

Schoey was switched to stand off on the 1990 tour to NZ by mal Reilly, think he may have played a handful of games under David ward in 89-90. But the 90-91 season was his first full season at 6. And he won international player of the year. Man of steel and belated golden boot. Think he would have won golden boot in 92 as well.

Holroyd was 94 as was Francis cummins vassilakopuolous. And Paul Cook. Morley a year later.

sinfield proving again today against poor opposition that he is not international standard and to play him at 7 and omit brough shows that McNamara is also not international standard

What a load of ....



Peacock, Noble and Crabtree have just given an expert anaiysis of Sinfields contribution at international level.

I think I will take their opinions over some of the blinkered tosh I read on these sorts of threads

I thought the triangle of Chase Sinfield and Flanders worked well. Widdop did ok when he came on, his defence is very poor IMO though

What Peacock, Noble and Crabtree said cannot be denied.....but neither can Sinfield's alarming lack of a pace to be playing in the backs. There was an opportunity he had to score in the first half where he was easily caught.
It's hooker/dummy half for me or not at all. Even his place kicking is not exceptional at the moment

His place kicking? Did you not A. See how bad the wind was and B. See where he missed the kicks from.

So you ignore the link he provides to the back line....and you will of course failed to have noticed where 5 or 6 of the England tries where scored ??? or are your blinkers preventing this.

He cant see anything with his head up his @rse

Not seen the game yet due to work but just settling down to watch it now.

But I feel some are a tad obsessed with speed. You don't have to be lightening quick to be a good HB and just because you have pace to burn doesn't make you a brilliant HB

Obsessed indeed to the exclusion of all the other facets of a player held in very high esteem by his peers.

His detractors consistently fail to understand that its the little things done consistently well that make good player,

Without these often unseen and under estimated contributions the flash speedy players wouldn't be in the positions required to score.

Neither Widdop nor Chase are the kind of player to take a team around the park and bring others into the game.

Some people's hatred of all things Leeds seriously clouds their judgement when it comes to the club's players at representative level

Got back from watching match and think that as others have said Sinfield really lacks pace and if Brough had been at 7 he'd have scored the opportunity that Sinfield had. Against Australia and New Zealand we may not have many chances hopefully it's not Sinfield that gets them 40 yards out against them....

Why resort to insults?

Sinfield has many qualities - which, if you read in the post that so clearly offended you, I stated NOBODY can deny - but he does have a lack of pace........or are you denying that? It is not an ideal scenario to be therefore playing in the halves IMO.
As to who might be better that is a different question: I do NOT think it should be Widdop.

With regards to his place kicking I was not referring to just this one match, but rather to a number of his most recent appearances at both club and country level.

FFS pace isn't everything... Sinfield's all round skill set is fine, added to that his leadership qualities, and you've got a good enough half back.