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| Wonder whether they have kept in touch with Corey Johnson? Surely he must have second thoughts.
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| Quote ="ArthurClues"Wonder whether they have kept in touch with Corey Johnson? Surely he must have second thoughts.'"
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| We have had so many dissapointments over so called talented juniors in recent years who have not improved that i no longer get over excited , how much of that has been over hype and how much has been poor coaching who knows . Fingers crossed these two lads make it .
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| One step at a a time, there’s a lot to do for the kids and a lot of luck needed, but I’m sure they’re often reminded that good habits generally have good outcomes.
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| Good that they mentioned other (not by name) young players who get lauded and then fail to make it, but hopefully he is right about these two.
We have all seen this n that next big thing who don't live up to expectations, and some fans complain that X player was not given a chance. The right attitude is massive at this age and Agar/the club thinks both have it. Attitude can get you Way above your lack of talent, talent alone can often lead to failure.
Attitude + talent will get you a long long way.
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"We have had so many dissapointments over so called talented juniors in recent years who have not improved that i no longer get over excited , how much of that has been over hype and how much has been poor coaching who knows . Fingers crossed these two lads make it .'"
Think we have been spoiled with such a wealth of quality from 1997-2010 ish, just look at the talentent players who we had to let go who still had great Super league careers elsewhere, likes of Carvell, Scruton, Dowes, Peter Fox, Mathers, Jonny Hepworth, And so many more, we simply had too many good young players and could not keep them all. We have had a barren spell, hopefully in the next 10 years if we get half as many good players as that period we will have another great mainly home grown team.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"We now about Gannon's parentage, but do we know anything about Levi's genes?'"
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| Quote ="Jack Burton"They kept Oli and released Joe?
'" joe went for a burton
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Think we have been spoiled with such a wealth of quality from 1997-2010 ish, just look at the talentent players who we had to let go who still had great Super league careers elsewhere, likes of Carvell, Scruton, Dowes, Peter Fox, Mathers, Jonny Hepworth, And so many more, we simply had too many good young players and could not keep them all. We have had a barren spell, hopefully in the next 10 years if we get half as many good players as that period we will have another great mainly home grown team.'"
Ithink you mean decent Super League careers elsewhere not great apart from maybe Carvell the one's you mention were no more than average
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Ithink you mean decent Super League careers elsewhere not great apart from maybe Carvell the one's you mention were no more than average'"
Scruton dowes Carvell would all get in out natch day 17 now.
Also we let two future MOS winners go in last 10 years, granted we got one back.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Scruton dowes Carvell would all get in out natch day 17 now.
Also we let two future MOS winners go in last 10 years, granted we got one back.'"
Scruton and Dowes would get in our first 17 now , it still does not mean they had better than average careers
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| How does Joe Gibbons rate in comparison ?
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| Quote ="The Eclipse"How does Joe Gibbons rate in comparison ?'"
Joe is a year older but for me Tom Nicholson-Watton and Ben Meyhew are both better than Joe both are tougher. Levi and Morgan are rated higher than all 3 but both Levi and Morgan are still kids.
Morgan apparantly has put a lot of size on so i cant wait to see more of him. Levi is impressive a real athletic kid. Early early days tho.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Joe is a year older but for me Tom Nicholson-Watton and Ben Meyhew are both better than Joe both are tougher. Levi and Morgan are rated higher than all 3 but both Levi and Morgan are still kids.
Morgan apparantly has put a lot of size on so i cant wait to see more of him. Levi is impressive a real athletic kid. Early early days tho.'"
Thanks, good feedback.
Is Levi big enough to continue as a backrower or will he end up a centre ?
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| Quote ="The Eclipse"Thanks, good feedback.
Is Levi big enough to continue as a backrower or will he end up a centre ?'"
He literally went 17 on Xmas Day so hes still developing. He will be bigger than Stevie Ward with a bit of weight on him. He will be fine for back row. This off season will be good for him but he is still a kid and their is no need to rush him at all.
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Scruton and Dowes would get in our first 17 now , it still does not mean they had better than average careers'"
The point still stands, we were overflowing with young players over around a ten plus year period and we had to let a lot of players go. A large section of the players we released ended up playing in Super league for majority of their careers. Arguing over the quality of those players or how their careers panned out is the missing the point. I’s struggle to name any players we have released in the past 5 years who are playing in the championship never mind SL.
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| Quote ="The Eclipse"Thanks, good feedback.
Is Levi big enough to continue as a backrower or will he end up a centre ?'"
Heard Levi could be the new Ellery, start at centre then move to 13. High praise high expectations.
Ellery was actually a bit of a late developer, did not really kick on until early 20’s not like Schoey, crooks, Morley etc international and player at 18-19.
Patience needed though, hope people don’t expect either player to be first team regulars in next 2-3 seasons. Would be nice if they were though.
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| Just checked Levy Edwards profile, he only just turned 17.
Fingers crossed the Academy season gets up & running this season, really looking forward to seeing how they go.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Heard Levi could be the new Ellery, start at centre then move to 13. High praise high expectations.
Ellery was actually a bit of a late developer, did not really kick on until early 20’s not like Schoey, crooks, Morley etc international and player at 18-19.
Patience needed though, hope people don’t expect either player to be first team regulars in next 2-3 seasons. Would be nice if they were though.'"
Jesus. Poor kid. Compared to Ellery. Please lets calm down. Hes very young and certainly isnt going to be Ellery.
Hes talented but lets not go overboard here. Let the kid develop at his own pace.
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"Jesus. Poor kid. Compared to Ellery. Please lets calm down. Hes very young and certainly isnt going to be Ellery.
Hes talented but lets not go overboard here. Let the kid develop at his own pace.'"
I have not compared him to Ellery, not even see him play, just what I have heard.
I agree with the second part and thought thats pretty much what I was saying in the first place.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"I have not compared him to Ellery, not even see him play, just what I have heard.
I agree with the second part and thought thats pretty much what I was saying in the first place.'"
But if you have heard that surely the person who said it is comparing a 17 yr old to Ellery?
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"The point still stands, we were overflowing with young players over around a ten plus year period and we had to let a lot of players go. A large section of the players we released ended up playing in Super league for majority of their careers. Arguing over the quality of those players or how their careers panned out is the missing the point. I’s struggle to name any players we have released in the past 5 years who are playing in the championship never mind SL.'"
You are digging yourself a hole , the point i made was you said they went on to have Great Super League careers and apart from Carvill they did not
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| Quote ="Marty Grrrrrrrrrr!"But if you have heard that surely the person who said it is comparing a 17 yr old to Ellery?'"
are you sure it wasn't you
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Ithink you mean decent Super League careers elsewhere not great apart from maybe Carvell the one's you mention were no more than average'" perhaps they need to amend to average though included mathers who would have remained our 1st but for going to aus and knee injury . might as well as have included calders and walker going to union
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| It's interesting that Edwards is being compared to Ellery.
It's also interesting how often Muiz was/is compared to Darren Fleary...
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