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| Quote ="Tigerade"Yes. You would be better off going on CasForum. We've just hit 100 pages on the subject.'"
I would but iam banned lmao
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| I would expect Cas to get some sort of compensation but similar to Sonny Bill Williams? Really? SBW was on a longer contract at CB and the difference in quality doesn't need saying.
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| Quote ="mrpurfect"I would but iam banned lmao'"
Did you post a sensible comment or something?
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Did you post a sensible comment or something?
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He probably didn't tow the party line, or wasn't partisan enough, a lot like the Wakefield forum nowadays.
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| Quote ="mrpurfect"I would but iam banned lmao'"
No you're not.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"Based on the fact that Sale have registered Solomona as a Sale player for this season's European competition aI think having them for inducing breach of contract is an absolute slam dunk. Having read that article the case ticks every single box with a big fat marker pen.'"
How have Sale breached a contract?
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| Quote ="invmatt"No you're not.'"
And how would you know if Iam banned or not?
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| Quote ="mrpurfect"Quote ="invmatt"No you're not.'"
And how would you know if Iam banned or not?'"
Because he runs the site
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| Quote ="matt_casfan"Because he runs the site'" I guessed that, but thats not answering my question, how would he know if I'm banned or not?
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| Both Kolpak and Bosman are eponymous for the rulings that significantly changed how sport players were "administered", after going through significant legal process.
Do you think that a "Solomona" will become another ground-breaking term in sporting history, or will be become known simply as "doing a Denny"?
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| Quote ="mrpurfect"I guessed that, but thats not answering my question, how would he know if I'm banned or not?'"
Because out of the thousands of accounts the ban list is no bigger than 20 and most of them are old spam/troll accounts.
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| Quote ="invmatt"Because out of the thousands of accounts the ban list is no bigger than 20 and most of them are old spam/troll accounts.'" So you don't know, your just being defensive of your forum when I didn't even criticise it which is the kind of attitude that gets you banned.
If you were really interested in finding out if I was Banned or not you would have asked what my username was.
Anyway this thread is about Solomona not Casforum.
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| RFU happy to not get involved :
"The RFU say they respect RFL concerns regarding the "sanctity of contracts" but do not have jurisdiction to act.
"The employment status with a club in a different sport is a matter between that club and the player," a RFU spokesman told BBC Sport."
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"RFU happy to not get involved :
"The RFU say they respect RFL concerns regarding the "sanctity of contracts" but do not have jurisdiction to act.
"The employment status with a club in a different sport is a matter between that club and the player," a RFU spokesman told BBC Sport."'"
They have clearly forgotten the precedents already set by SBW and Sam Burgess.
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"He probably didn't tow the party line, or wasn't partisan enough, a lot like the Wakefield forum nowadays.'"
Why what party line is there on the Wakey forum? haven't been aware of one, or that it's really changed over the years. Still the same kinds of opinions going on whether they're negative or positive. For a change there's more positive than negative things to talk about.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"They have clearly forgotten the precedents already set by SBW and Sam Burgess.'"
I'm not sure there's been a precedent exactly the same as the way Solomona's gone about things. I'd say the SBW incident is the closest to the Solomona one, even though both of those cases you mention were players moving from Australia to Europe, rather than English League Club to Union. With SBW when he did one to France, in the end Toulon just chucked the Bulldogs a load of cash to make the problem go away, I'd imagine that's what's gonna happen in this case, maybe not as much cash mind. Burgess is different he was given permission to leave Souths and try his hand at RU.
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"I'm not sure there's been a precedent exactly the same as the way Solomona's gone about things. I'd say the SBW incident is the closest to the Solomona one, even though both of those cases you mention were players moving from Australia to Europe, rather than English League Club to Union. With SBW when he did one to France, in the end Toulon just chucked the Bulldogs a load of cash to make the problem go away, I'd imagine that's what's gonna happen in this case, maybe not as much cash mind. Burgess is different he was given permission to leave Souths and try his hand at RU.'"
The RFU are essentially claiming there is no need for RU clubs to pay transfer fees to clubs from other sports, regardless of the country they are moving from/to.
Burgess was only given permission to try his hand at RU because Bath paid Souths £270k. He wasn't allowed just to walk off into the sunset.
Likewise, Toulon paid a significant sum for Williams (eventually).
Therefore, the precedent of RU clubs paying transfer fees to RL clubs for players under contract is set.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"The RFU are essentially claiming there is no need for RU clubs to pay transfer fees to clubs from other sports, regardless of the country they are moving from/to.
Burgess was only given permission to try his hand at RU because Bath paid Souths £270k. He wasn't allowed just to walk off into the sunset.
Likewise, Toulon paid a significant sum for Williams (eventually).
Therefore, the precedent of RU clubs paying transfer fees to RL clubs for players under contract is set.'"
Where do they claim that? We know players have moved from RL to RU before and got fees.
Anyway I was just pointing out, none of the others went about it the same way as Solomona has. By announcing a silly retirement from RL just to push his move to RU. His case is slightly different, hence why it's going to Court.
Like I said the SBW case is very close to the Solomona one and hopefully it end's in a similar outcome. I'd have to look into it more but I don't remember the French RU getting involved in that case , I thought it was between SBW, Bulldogs and Toulon.
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| Trying to get my head around all this !
Question
If anyone can answer this
If I am contracted to a club for 2 or 3 years and I fall out of love with the game (eg Rangi Chase) will I be allowed to just walk away?
Yes or No
(I am aware of the registration to play RL) and the club can keep hold of it for the period of the original contract.
Does that then stop me from playing any other sport (for a wage)?
Yes or No
This is a minefield and god help the people who have to sort it all out
I was listening to Rugby Union Extra on G.M. Radio for an hour and they were struggling with an answer.
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| Starting to think Rugby League in the UK will only exist as an amateur sport in 10 years time, we are being dwarfed in resources by Union and the NRL (which only cares about itself) we're tied to the same relatively low TV deal for years, with little other funding streams and a governing body that can't even promote our few big events properly.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Starting to think Rugby League in the UK will only exist as an amateur sport in 10 years time, we are being dwarfed in resources by Union and the NRL (which only cares about itself) we're tied to the same relatively low TV deal for years, with little other funding streams and a governing body that can't even promote our few big events properly.'"
Super League is dying, long live Canadia!
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| Quote ="shinymcshine"Both Kolpak and Bosman are eponymous for the rulings that significantly changed how sport players were "administered", after going through significant legal process.
Do you think that a "Solomona" will become another ground-breaking term in sporting history, or will be become known simply as "doing a Denny"?'"
I like the term "doing a Denny" but how about this one:-
"so-long-am-a-gona".
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| Quote ="Zulu01"Trying to get my head around all this !
Question
If anyone can answer this
If I am contracted to a club for 2 or 3 years and I fall out of love with the game (eg Rangi Chase) will I be allowed to just walk away?
Yes or No
(I am aware of the registration to play RL) and the club can keep hold of it for the period of the original contract.
Does that then stop me from playing any other sport (for a wage)?
Yes or No
This is a minefield and god help the people who have to sort it all out
I was listening to Rugby Union Extra on G.M. Radio for an hour and they were struggling with an answer.'"
You can walk away at any point.
If the club keeps hold of your registration that would prevent you from playing for any other RL team.
You could play for any other team in any other sport. The RL registrations are only binding to RL clubs.
However if you walked away without the permission of your club you would then be in breach of your contract with them. They could not pay you and you could be liable for any costs associated with that breach e.g. A transfer fee, loss of profile/marketing etc at that club.
In addition to that if another club or organisation actively encouraged/helped you to breach your contract, they could also be held liable for those costs. E.g. Sale
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| RL needs to start putting in their contracts that if a league player signs for a union team a fee will be applicable.
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| Quote ="Him"You can walk away at any point.
If the club keeps hold of your registration that would prevent you from playing for any other RL team.
You could play for any other team in any other sport. The RL registrations are only binding to RL clubs.
However if you walked away without the permission of your club you would then be in breach of your contract with them. They could not pay you and you could be liable for any costs associated with that breach e.g. A transfer fee, loss of profile/marketing etc at that club.
In addition to that if another club or organisation actively encouraged/helped you to breach your contract, they could also be held liable for those costs. E.g. Sale'"
Thanx very much for taking the time to reply, it has shed more light on this for me.
As previously stated, this is a massive minefield, if the ruling goes the wrong way for RL it could be devastating.
Intresting times ahead
Thanx again
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