I'm with giving Bowman and Charlesworth some gametime against Blackpool and Loughborough. Can Charlesworth kick?

If we are trying to get Flanagan, he can play stand off.

Charlesworth was a proven goalkicker at amatuer level

Did anyone watch Flanagean last season? Did he look like a stand off?

why all this about a stand off, we have one and nobody as even mentioned him, dwayne barker, played stand off at dupper league level, give him the chance while playing in the northern rail cup,if it dont work out then go for it get another player in

I'm sure i've read cas and hull kr fans say that barkers best position was second row or centre though. If govin stays fit i'm more than happy for him to be stand off, he looked very lively of sunday. Plus Govin has got to have a bit of luck with injuries sometime soon.

I would presume those who haven't had much game time will be given it against Blackpool and Loughborough, that includes Wrench and Wilson as well.

Charlesworth missed a fairly simple one against Fev given his reputation he gained at the Irish but he does seem to be the obvious back up kicker for Haley, although Govin is a very good goal kicker as well.

Gov did some kicking practice before the Barrow game, and didn't miss the few he took, (which were out toward the wing).

remember that one he kick from the touch line in the 21s play off at leigh last season james,??

Did Graham Holroyd?

Paul Wellens looks like a Prop, still doesn't stop him playing full back does it?

I think flanaghan was a stand off when he was younger, but then he must have eaten a bear or something, and turned into a beast.

You are joking right?

6'2, a lot older and not the fastest, mobile player in the world, but his kicking game was great and he produced some good things. No Flanagan is slightly taller, but much faster and can kick goals. Definately worth ago for me.

I really rate Flanagan but didnt even see anything in him last season that suggested he could play Loose Forward let alone Stand Off. For anybody that saw him he clearly is a tough tackling Second Rower. Has he the ability to lead a team around a pitch, No. Has he the ability run in to holes in the opposition defence and be extremly reliable in defence, yes.

6'2"

It was against Whitehaven but still a peach of a pass..

i wouldn't bring him back as stand off but he showed enough for me to definately bring him back... Just ask Ian Morrison about him.. I bet his bones are still shaking after that hit when we dropped out from under our posts against Widnes..

There's nothing wrong with Barker, Govin or Black at stand off, no panic folks


How do we want a stand off to play BTW ?
Do we want him outside the scrum half when there's a scrum, both attacking & defending ? Who else forms up like that ?

Do we want him linking up with the backs in a free-flowing handling move, or supporting the props & second rowers on a break ?
Danny McGuire's making a decent living out of that...


I sometimes can't believe that folk can come on here & moan about the team/selections ! Crikey they've only played two low-key fixtures against a lot lower opposition than what's to come. You could go to Hunslet's postage stamp of a pitch with ten forwards, two wingers & a full back that pitch is so narrow and I hear from a mate that they've even taken the width in a bit more this season. A stand off/scrum half is almost un-employed there. Calland did warn before the Hunslet game that he intended trying out a few combinations, give him a chance.

You could clearly see the previous touchline, it was a good 2m out from the new line. Must be so boring watching Hunslet play!

The game needs invention or [ire-invention[/i in my opinion. It was great to chat with Bill Kirkbride for the whole of the game on sunday and swap views on how it should be played and of course both me him and Danny Fearon who was with me were all correct as you would expect


What is wrong with props who can pass out of the tackle ? But how often do you see it happen ? They're either incapable or told not to.
There's nothing finer than seeing a centre actually side-step a defender, a half back who dare chip over the defence 'cos he's seen an opportunity, but more often than not a kick of any fashion comes on the fifth or sixth.
Let the players with craft & skill play a game how they read it, not as they're told to play it.
We've become obsessed with Australian-isms like "field position", "percentages", blah blah blah....
Everyone's scared to make an "un-forced error" nowadays, we'll ruin the game before we're done

havthee not seen Fax play Lately

I would have thought my comment about watching them against Barrow on sunday would make it about as recent as possible

I'd have Flanagan back in a heartbeat, in addition to 2nd row and stand off he can also cover the centres AND if what I heard a month ago is true, he's told Wigan if they want him to get game time outside of the Wigan set up then he will only play for Fax and no one else.

Just the sort of thing to get right up Wigan's nose.
Their attitude will surely be "you'll play where we say".

Could negotiate his own release. Then come to fax...