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| Quote ="J20"Cheers Clive, getting little obsessed now ain't we? Shame RL has come to this but bizarre people want to now pop at Widnes bid as we've covered all areas!'"
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| Quote ="a.n Other"They even think that the Courier has been singing their praises
[urlhttp://www.trustinwidnes.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=1e0ef57c7e3d8defb91f90362c24a390&topic=30569.0[/url
However, they have failed to realise its just a letter that has been sent into the paper that Littlerich mentioned last week!
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Yes, because one person posted this of the TIW board, probably in the mistaken belief it was a Journo, we all think that the Courier has been singing our praises.
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| Quote ="GIANT DAZ"I'm not suggesting the Attendance figure had been 'tampered' with because obviously i wasn't there or owt but if it was a genuine attendance then well done to Fax...........but , if the marketing team can get nearly 5,000 to this game why couldn't they do it for other games if it was so easy rather than being happy with 2/2,500 all season'"
Who rattled your cage ?
If we had a university, maybe we could tamper ( as you call it ) with our gates more often. |
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| Quote ="Viking John"Hardly squeaky bums and sour grapes. We can hit average attendance without freebies, you are hardly a threat to a Widnes Super League application.
[list[*You have a crumbling stadium[/*:m
[*No youth set up[/*:m
[*No reserve squad competing[/*:m
[*Poor attendances[/*:m
[*No finances[/*:m
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Widnes on the other hand:
[list[*Have a top quality stadium that can host Super League Games & Challenge Cup Semi Finals[/*:m
[*Under 15 academy squad[/*:m
[*Under 16 academy squad[/*:m
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It's all well and good you lot shouting about how you have ticked another box, but you are ticking the wrong kind of boxes if you want long term success and stability.
Leigh are the closest threat to Widnes' Super League application, but they fall short on a few key areas and won't be in this time round. I do see tem realistically in Super League in 2016.
I also hear people banging on about "We are a heartland team, we deserve to be there". Well if these so called ‘heartland’ clubs doesn't start to invest in heartland youth then there will be nothing left of the 'heartland'.
You can't just run a first team and no youth set-up and expect long term stability, it's madness! Bringing through top class British youth should be top priority for every club.
That's called having a modern, professional stadium. Still an amateur looking set up if people are handing over cash at a turnstile instead of a more controlled professional outlet via a ticket office. Even Whitehaven don't accept cash on the turnstiles, they have a hut outside the ground you have to buy your ticket from.
Yeah, only when there is a free ticket though
But again this comes down to a ridiculous business plan. How can your club justify £18 to sit in a crumbling stadium and watch championship rugby? I would expect to pay £18 for a Super League game.
If you reduced prices to between £10-14 I’m pretty positive you will be able to pull more fans. The £18 price tag is scaring people off.
Is it not made more of a charade when clubs add fuel to the fire by fudging figures? The RFL are trying to raise the standard of the whole game to show off the sport at the highest level, in the best possible way. The license system is the only way to achieve this. It will stay in place until all clubs hit these levels, only when all clubs hit a certain standard then the license system be scrapped and promotion and releagtion re-introduced.
That means, strong youth system, strong financials and high quality stadia. Who wants to watch Super League in a crumbling stadium? To show the sport in as good a light as possible, it has to be played in top quality stadiums. You wouldn't get into the premier league with a dump of a ground, so the same should apply for Super League.
So until clubs in this division start playing by the rules and putting together proper business plan and investing in the proper areas such as youth and stadia then they will have nothing to look forward to but rotting away in this division with no end in sight for the license system. It's not going to do them any good long term or do this league and this sport any good long term.
Bank rolling nothing but a first team is going to get you nowhere pretty fast and puts your club at a serious risk of going into decline in the long run.
I wouldn't condone any such behaviour. We also wouldn't need to siphon any money through to hit the £1 million. We could easy hit the £1 million mark with the sponsorships we have on board this year, the community funds, club lotteries, merchandise etc.'"
Look Mr Widnes PR man we all accept you are ahead of us and will probably get the SL Licence.
But all the above is down to one man = Steve O'Connor
Without his cash you would not be where you are now, look at your stadium and on your shirts it says what?
STOBBART
Like Salford (Jack Wilkinson) and Huddersfield (Ken Davy) the difference between those clubs and those like ours is men who love their club enough to pour a lot of their money in year after year.
Good luck to you as you will need it as Ken Davy has put millions into Huddersfield and won what so far? Nowt.
Wish we had one and am I jealous?
Yes, but its like comparing apples with pears as they say saying what you have and what we haven't, thing is we CAN'T AFFORD it okay? |
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| Quote ="Waddy-Fax"Cant see what Widnes offer that Fax dont, why's everyone bleating on about them on here and Sky, it's only cos they spat their dummy out when declined the last round of franchising and kicked up a big fuss.'"
Wrong, Leigh spat their dummy not Widnes 
Quote ="Fax4Life"Without his cash you would not be where you are now, look at your stadium and on your shirts it says what?
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"Look Mr Widnes PR man we all accept you are ahead of us and will probably get the SL Licence.
But all the above is down to one man = Steve O'Connor
Without his cash you would not be where you are now, look at your stadium and on your shirts it says what?
STOBBART
Like Salford (Jack Wilkinson) and Huddersfield (Ken Davy) the difference between those clubs and those like ours is men who love their club enough to pour a lot of their money in year after year.
Good luck to you as you will need it as Ken Davy has put millions into Huddersfield and won what so far? Nowt.
Wish we had one and am I jealous?
Yes, but its like comparing apples with pears as they say saying what you have and what we haven't, thing is we CAN'T AFFORD it okay?'"
Wooooooooshhhh point missed there!
No-ones crticizing what Fax have achieved these past few years but when you try to compare the two bids you can't blame Widnes for having a backer and our bid stronger and doubt the RFL will go aw yea your right you come in with no money? Seem's a sense of injustice on here from Fax with RFL and tbh I aint sure why in terms of franchising! |
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| Quote ="asterix"Wrong, Leigh spat their dummy not Widnes
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same difference its Steve O'Connor's cash matey. |
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"same difference its Steve O'Connor's cash matey.'"
Number one aim was to make club as self sufficient as possible and that's what he's doing! You know so when little 'errors' don't end up being a threat to clubs players wages?  |
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| Quote ="J20"Wooooooooshhhh point missed there!
No-ones crticizing what Fax have achieved these past few years but when you try to compare the two bids you can't blame Widnes for having a backer and our bid stronger and doubt the RFL will go aw yea your right you come in with no money? Seem's a sense of injustice on here from Fax with RFL and tbh I aint sure why in terms of franchising!'"
His point was, he said he's jealous. I reckon we all are to a degree, but I for one admire the current B.O.D.'s at Halifax and other clubs like us for sticking with it. |
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| Quote ="marillion man"His point was, he said he's jealous. I reckon we all are to a degree, but I for one admire the current B.O.D.'s at Halifax and other clubs like us for sticking with it.'"
At the end aye lol, after trying to say without SO'C we'd be nothing etc etc.
And i'll praise all clubs who manage to fight on year on year putting in a strong show whilst are game gives to the rich more and more 
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| Quote Viking John wrote:Hardly squeaky bums and sour grapes. We can hit average attendance without freebies, you are hardly a threat to a Widnes Super League application.
* You have a crumbling stadium
* No youth set up
* No reserve squad competing
* Poor attendances
* No finances
* All you have is a first team
Widnes on the other hand:
* Have a top quality stadium that can host Super League Games & Challenge Cup Semi Finals
* Under 15 academy squad
* Under 16 academy squad
* Under 18 academy squad
* Under 21 academy squad
* Reserve squad
* Highest attendances in Championship
* Stong financial and business plan
It's all well and good you lot shouting about how you have ticked another box, but you are ticking the wrong kind of boxes if you want long term success and stability.
Leigh are the closest threat to Widnes' Super League application, but they fall short on a few key areas and won't be in this time round. I do see tem realistically in Super League in 2016.
I also hear people banging on about "We are a heartland team, we deserve to be there". Well if these so called ‘heartland’ clubs doesn't start to invest in heartland youth then there will be nothing left of the 'heartland'.
You can't just run a first team and no youth set-up and expect long term stability, it's madness! Bringing through top class British youth should be top priority for every club.
That's called having a modern, professional stadium. Still an amateur looking set up if people are handing over cash at a turnstile instead of a more controlled professional outlet via a ticket office. Even Whitehaven don't accept cash on the turnstiles, they have a hut outside the ground you have to buy your ticket from.
Yeah, only when there is a free ticket though
But again this comes down to a ridiculous business plan. How can your club justify £18 to sit in a crumbling stadium and watch championship rugby? I would expect to pay £18 for a Super League game.
If you reduced prices to between £10-14 I’m pretty positive you will be able to pull more fans. The £18 price tag is scaring people off.
Is it not made more of a charade when clubs add fuel to the fire by fudging figures? The RFL are trying to raise the standard of the whole game to show off the sport at the highest level, in the best possible way. The license system is the only way to achieve this. It will stay in place until all clubs hit these levels, only when all clubs hit a certain standard then the license system be scrapped and promotion and releagtion re-introduced.
That means, strong youth system, strong financials and high quality stadia. Who wants to watch Super League in a crumbling stadium? To show the sport in as good a light as possible, it has to be played in top quality stadiums. You wouldn't get into the premier league with a dump of a ground, so the same should apply for Super League.
So until clubs in this division start playing by the rules and putting together proper business plan and investing in the proper areas such as youth and stadia then they will have nothing to look forward to but rotting away in this division with no end in sight for the license system. It's not going to do them any good long term or do this league and this sport any good long term.
Bank rolling nothing but a first team is going to get you nowhere pretty fast and puts your club at a serious risk of going into decline in the long run.
I wouldn't condone any such behaviour. We also wouldn't need to siphon any money through to hit the £1 million. We could easy hit the £1 million mark with the sponsorships we have on board this year, the community funds, club lotteries, merchandise etc.'"
Ha, ha, you can have all that and more but while ever your big ex super league stars freeze on the big occasion and let liddle o'l Batley, a team of local lads spank yer bums then you really aint got nothing now have you. |
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| Quote ="Shutterman"Ha, ha, you can have all that and more but while ever your big ex super league stars freeze on the big occasion and let liddle o'l Batley, a team of local lads spank yer bums then you really aint got nothing now have you.'"
2 trophies in 4 four years aint too bad. |
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| Quote ="Shutterman"Ha, ha, you can have all that and more but while ever your big ex super league stars freeze on the big occasion and let liddle o'l Batley, a team of local lads spank yer bums then you really aint got nothing now have you.'"
was that a serious post? What did your country mile better side win last season? Freeze on bi stage... From a Fax fan? Haha, quality! |
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| Quote ="J20"icon_lol.gif was that a serious post? What did your country mile better side win last season? Freeze on bi stage... From a Fax fan? Haha, quality!
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Try to concentrate ( geddit ? ) mr orange juice man, he's a Batley fan !
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| Quote ="marillion man"Try to concentrate ( geddit ? ) mr orange juice man, he's a Batley fan !
Don't let him put the squeeze on you.'"
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| Quote ="Chris B"2 trophies in 4 four years aint too bad.
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| Quote ="Shutterman"No ticked boxes for those im afraid, in fact all they did was lure some over hyped ex Super League stars into thinking he could come to your place for guaranteed success but then came along liddle o'l Batley to scare the bejeezus out of them.'"
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| Quote ="Shutterman"No ticked boxes for those im afraid, in fact all they did was lure some over hyped ex Super League stars into thinking he could come to your place for guaranteed success but then came along liddle o'l Batley to scare the bejeezus out of them.'"
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| Quote ="Shutterman"No ticked boxes for those im afraid, in fact all they did was lure some over hyped ex Super League stars into thinking he could come to your place for guaranteed success but then came along liddle o'l Batley to scare the bejeezus out of them.'"
Well... err.. how do I put this.. No... you are wrong. We did get a tick in the box for one of those.  |
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| Quote ="Chris B"Well... err.. how do I put this.. No... you are wrong. We did get a tick in the box for one of those.
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| Typical Widnes fans, can't see when theyve been reeled in hook line and sinker. |
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| Quote ="Shutterman"Typical Widnes fans, can't see when theyve been reeled in hook line and sinker.
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Ok so there going to withdraw the bit about winning NRC are they?
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If i were a fan of any Rugby League club with a History and geographical location in either Yorkshire or Lancashire I certainly wouldn't be counting any chickens or creating a long term strategy until Nigel Wood and Richard Lewis have signed legal documents that prohibit them from ever having any involvement in Rugby League again.
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