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| Wakefield MDC have ratified £2million contribution to Cas new ground fund.Things could get very interesting in Wakey over next few weeks.
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| Quote ="Skipdog"Wakefield MDC have ratified £2million contribution to Cas new ground fund.Things could get very interesting in Wakey over next few weeks.'"
also done same for wakey, but are having a review of both in july when franchise announced.
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| Quote ="Skipdog"Wakefield MDC have ratified £2million contribution to Cas new ground fund.Things could get very interesting in Wakey over next few weeks.'"
Its going to be hard for Wakefield Council to justify spending this money when they are facing huge cuts and job losses!
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| I just can't see any council being able to justify stadium developments with the pain going around at present due to the current public sector cut-backs. I await developments and think we were lucky it took us only 9 years to get the Shay stadium finished by Calderdale MBC.
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| Quote ="Skipdog"Wakefield MDC have ratified £2million contribution to Cas new ground fund.Things could get very interesting in Wakey over next few weeks.'"
I thought it was bad taste for Cas to release that statement only hours after Wakefield released theirs. Whoever doesn't have a permanent home will have a temporary one to tick the box. It's a swiz.
They can only really use this 'development area' rubbish as an excuse to keep ailing clubs up and unfortunately I think it's going to be at the expense of a/some club(s) that might otherwise be outperfoming them in terms of the league ladder.
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| Quote ="Les West Guitar God"Plans to groundshare with Normanton Knights perhaps'"
Or Eastmoor. Looks like we will be playing them at Barnsley fc next season
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| Quote ="The Dors"I thought it was bad taste for Cas to release that statement only hours after Wakefield released theirs. Whoever doesn't have a permanent home will have a temporary one to tick the box. It's a swiz.
They can only really use this 'development area' rubbish as an excuse to keep ailing clubs up and unfortunately I think it's going to be at the expense of a/some club(s) that might otherwise be outperfoming them in terms of the league ladder.'"
TBF Cas were already planning the meeting and hence announcement on that day, the fact Wakey's letter came trhough the same day was just a bad coincidence for the Wildcats.
They really are in a mess though as said, sold ground spent most of that money, weren't actually paying a penny towards Newmarket yet still making squad cut backs look at how much spending Salford did once council said they'd pay for stadium! Cas have still got a decent squad and they are paying for their own ground too, Wakey seem potless and soon to be homeless. Their future does look very bleak and I can only see new investment joining when Richardson is out of the way and someone maybe taking club out of admin to start again (SO'C style).
It's very, very poor management to leave their club in this posistion based on a project that effectively wasn't even there project in the first place!
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| I went past where Saints are having the new stadium built, today. Going to be one hell of a size of a development.
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| Or will Wakefield " Think the unthinkable " and consider ground sharing with Cas ?
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Quote ="bentleyman"Or will Wakefield " Think the unthinkable " and consider ground sharing with Cas ?'"
Wakefield have said here - wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2010/11/9316/ that 2011 will be there last season at Belle Vue, so just where do they intend on playing in 2012?
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Quote ="bentleyman"Or will Wakefield " Think the unthinkable " and consider ground sharing with Cas ?'"
Wakefield have said here - wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/2010/11/9316/ that 2011 will be there last season at Belle Vue, so just where do they intend on playing in 2012?
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rumoured to be at barnsley fc.
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| Once again, ill say this could have twists aplenty.
Castlefords money is nowhere near as secure as people think, its a tiny town aswell, surely not a long term goal of SL to have them around for much longer anyway. The £2million for land is a soundbite, building ventures have been struggling for years, i fail to see why Castlefords Stadium is going to be a smooth ride... Watch this space. Saints and Salford will just about make it happen in within the next few years though.
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| Apparently the money to Cas is only a loan,there has been no mention of the same loan facility being available to either Wakey or Fev.As a council tax payer in Wakey I'm not too impressed that these loans may be given when facilities and services look very likely to be cut for everybody in the area
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| Quote ="Skipdog"Apparently the money to Cas is only a loan,there has been no mention of the same loan facility being available to either Wakey or Fev.As a council tax payer in Wakey I'm not too impressed that these loans may be given when facilities and services look very likely to be cut for everybody in the area'"
is it a 2million loan or a piece of land thats worth 2 million ?.
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| So is it beyond reality that both Cas & Wakey fail to renew their sl franchise, paving the way for 2 x championship clubs in 2012??
No grounds = no franchise
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| Quote ="wereutherein1987?"So is it beyond reality that both Cas & Wakey fail to renew their sl franchise, paving the way for 2 x championship clubs in 2012??
No grounds = no franchise'"
I should think so given it was the defining factor as to their stay of execution last time. Widnes and Fax for promotion. I've been saying it for ages.
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| Quote ="Chris Dalton"I should think so given it was the defining factor as to their stay of execution last time. Widnes and Fax for promotion. I've been saying it for ages.'"
so that means Sky aka Super Dooper Leage will go for Widnes and a Toulouse side full of mediocre Aussies
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| Personally would rather aim for 2015. Playong on sdl before then will see us struggle. Only Widnes should go up going on the franchise farce thats in place.
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"Personally would rather aim for 2015. Playong on sdl before then will see us struggle. Only Widnes should go up going on the franchise farce thats in place.'"
my prediction is by 2015 it will be an even more closed shop than it is now.
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| Quote ="swifty62"my prediction is by 2015 it will be an even more closed shop than it is now.'"
I`m inclined to agree with you , it wouldn`t surprise me if they pull the drawbridge up after this.
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| Quote ="johnny freeman fan club"I`m inclined to agree with you , it wouldn`t surprise me if they pull the drawbridge up after this.'"
Except for clubs in "development Areas"
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| Quote ="Les West Guitar God"Except for clubs in "development Areas"'"
Well that goes without saying of course.
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| Sounds like they will be at our place in 2012 from what the rumours are at football match.Don't think our chairman Mr Cryne will turn down the revenue if possible.
A 15min walk to watch the Fax in 2012 sounds good to me.
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| I think Wakefield will bounce back from this, maybe a stint with us and Leigh wont do them any harm long term.
The Cas situation however is intriging, how a town of 35000 can support a 15000 £15m stadium (in this climate) with just a SL season, and some of the games taken on the road is beyond me. Wakefield on the on other hand is a MUCH larger CITY. that could quite conceivably have a similar situation to ours with either the Football or RU team keeping the costs and upkeep realistic. Im sure there will be reference to someone playing reserves at the proposed Cas ground, but im telling you all its a white elephant and if it does get built (which i doubt) the stadium management would have a hell of a job to get the place even breaking even. The local authorities should be parping themselves if this goes ahead, it smacks of other stories we all know too well. Chins up Wakey, the battle may be lost but the war can still be won.
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| Quote ="justthebasicfax"I think Wakefield will bounce back from this, maybe a stint with us and Leigh wont do them any harm long term.
The Cas situation however is intriging, how a town of 35000 can support a 15000 £15m stadium (in this climate) with just a SL season, and some of the games taken on the road is beyond me. Wakefield on the on other hand is a MUCH larger CITY. that could quite conceivably have a similar situation to ours with either the Football or RU team keeping the costs and upkeep realistic. Im sure there will be reference to someone playing reserves at the proposed Cas ground, but im telling you all its a white elephant and if it does get built (which i doubt) the stadium management would have a hell of a job to get the place even breaking even. The local authorities should be parping themselves if this goes ahead, it smacks of other stories we all know too well. Chins up Wakey, the battle may be lost but the war can still be won.'"
The population of cas is just a shade under 40k and there are about 1500 houses being built within 2 miles of the ground in the next couple of years. Cas dont just draw support from cas there are large amounts of cas fans in pontefract, knottingley, normanton, allerton bywater, selby, kippax and even some in methley, fev, wakey and barsley. Wakey dont really draw much support from the east of heath common as these are fev and cas areas (with well in excess of 100k people living there). Other sports have struggled to survive proffesionaly in wakefield with ru team going bust years ago , as for the football team there is bad blood between them from last time they shared with wakey so i doubt they would share with wakey when they have there own ground which is big enough for there needs and will cost alot less than sharing a sl quality stadium with wakefield.
The cas stadium will be 13.5 k capacity and will cost 11.5 million, cas will be a lot better of financially in the new stadium as we have virtually no corporate revenue at the moment while we will have a large amount at the new ground, as well as the fact that crowds should increase (as the nearly always do with a new ground) with new ground which is in a fantastic location with lots to do within 5 minutes walk of the ground, it will aslo be the easiest rl stadium to travel to by a long way, which should tempt a few more away fans through the doors. The ground will be used for other events such as concerts and some minor internationals (ie like keepmoat and leighs new ground). The ground will also have a large bar which will operate 7 days a week in a busy tourist destination and will bring alot of cash. Another thing to consider is that the maintaince cost on an old ground like ours are higher than they will be in a new stadium. Cas are not a rich club but live within our means and were one of 4 sl clubs to post a profit in 2009 (albeit only 26k) and dont have a history of financial instability. Wakefield have had to fight the taxman off twice in a year despite having already been given half the money from the sale of belle vue to payoff debts and several hundred thousand pound in transfer fees for brough and atkins, and had to have a benefactor pay there last tax bill for them. Cas had players play for england at u16's, u18's and senior level this year and cas played 11 home grown players in sl last year.
I dont have anything against wakey (for me salford would be for the drop) but i fail to see where wakey are superior in anyway to cas other than they are a city and we are a town (like warrington and widnes are).
Cas are putting in for fpp tomorow (with no objections to the site, which is already earmarked for development) so i understand, and should begin building in april after being held back by outside agencies for the last 2 years.
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