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| Yep, well done London. Have to say I despise the RL equivalent of Millwall fans (fev "fans"icon_wink.gif so very pleased with the result. Let's also hope Toulouse get out of our league so we no longer have the absurd carry on of part time players having to trek abroad.
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| Fev not making the final does show the sport up a bit, they've been runaway leaders, but get little reward.
There's an argument that you could recruit a small, mid table squad, then if you look like you are heading for the playoffs, strengthen in the right areas and hit form at the right time and still make a real go at it
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| Quote ="Brew"Fev not making the final does show the sport up a bit, they've been runaway leaders, but get little reward.
There's an argument that you could recruit a small, mid table squad, then if you look like you are heading for the playoffs, strengthen in the right areas and hit form at the right time and still make a real go at it'"
Why does just show up our sport, Football league has had playoffs for years now, same thing can happen. Its not that the rules are changed mid-season, we all know that reaching the play offs is the main task and then its knock out football. Leeds won the SL from 5th or 6th a few years back, you could see how they built momentum through the year. If teams knew it was "finish top of the league" then you might found they set up differently, or maybe too many would spend too much money trying to achieve that!
Whilst Fev won the league by a significant margin, there were plenty of signs that they were not always that convincing. Teams who compete with their pack and then move them around have a fair chance, we proved that against them twice, and looks like London did same to them yesterday.
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| Well, after being thoroughly disillusioned with the game these past couple of weeks this weekends results have really perked me up. Rugby League isn't the be all and end all in life but it can certainly be a big part of life for some folk. Well done Toulouse and London.
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| Agree, gizempo. Fev know how it works and they tried to do a Leigh with a massive strong squad but obviously not strong enough otherwise they would have beaten London. Sacking Sean Long despite being "runaway leaders" also seemed quite bizarre.
I notice a few Fev fans on TotalRL are saying they won't renew their season tickets. Fev appear to have already put their season tickets on sale before they knew which league they'd be in (arrogant or what?), and the match day admission increased to £25. Looks like they've dug themselves a deep hole!
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"Agree, gizempo. Fev know how it works and they tried to do a Leigh with a massive strong squad but obviously not strong enough otherwise they would have beaten London. Sacking Sean Long despite being "runaway leaders" also seemed quite bizarre.
I notice a few Fev fans on TotalRL are saying they won't renew their season tickets. Fev appear to have already put their season tickets on sale before they knew which league they'd be in (arrogant or what?), and the match day admission increased to £25. Looks like they've dug themselves a deep hole!'"
Regarding season tickets. Fax did the same. At least Fev gave prices for both eventualities.
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| The funny thing about the Fev failure to me was a lot of their fans when they sacked Sean Long suddenly making out that Ford was the new messiah after a couple of decent wins against poor opposition when the reality was that it is so hard to change something mid season especially when their players were looking at the league table and probably thinking they were pretty comfortable. Its not really the same as a relegation threatened team bringing in a new coach and hoping to get that lift. I think the way they got rid of Long means a bit of karma for them.
Does make me wonder what could have been for us though as we were certainly one of the teams that had the style of play that suited beating them. As it is i'm really non plussed as to who goes up, if its London then its a one season only thing as they won't make the grade and even if its Toulouse then its still likely to be Wakefield just beating them. The reality for Fev though is that they have been confined to this division for the forseeable future just like the rest of us and you have to wonder what sort of financial strain this attempt has put them under.
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| Irrespective of one's feelings for fev (and their obnoxious fans), it wouldn't look right for the ideology of "Super League" to have yet another "village team" to add to Leigh and Castleford, not to mention the potential trouble if they got thrashed at PO Road by the likes of Cas and Hull.
I'm guessing they gambled all or nothing re promotion, so expect a huge cull from Fev in the coming weeks. Hey, how about getting Springer back?
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| I think you could be right regarding Fev offloading players and no doubt Campbell's court case could have an impact on that as well but realistically who would you want to see from Fev at Fax? This isn't a case of none of their team been good enough as they would all get in our current side, its more that a lot of their team are knocking on a bit now and to be fair they will be on good money at Fev and could be priced out of the Championship market.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I think you could be right regarding Fev offloading players and no doubt Campbell's court case could have an impact on that as well but realistically who would you want to see from Fev at Fax? This isn't a case of none of their team been good enough as they would all get in our current side, its more that a lot of their team are knocking on a bit now and to be fair they will be on good money at Fev and could be priced out of the Championship market.'"
Yep agree with that and maybe that was their problem. Leigh put together a team that could dominate our league but it was also a team where the majority of them were capable and had the ambition of going into SL, so more desire to achieve that. Whereas when looking at the Fev team it's hard to think of many that would now cut it in SL. So what's the motivation for them, potentially some will now remain on decent championship pay.
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| Everyone knows and have stated numerous times that unless you have a backer / benefactor with deep pockets then getting into and staying in SL is virtually impossible.
Interesting to see how each club responds after they are given their respective gradings next week and it becomes a battle for the criteria instead of a battle for the play offs and if it changes who if any clubs have a better / worse chance.
I suspect with reduced funding and attendances it will be meaner and leaner for most.
What Mark Campbell at Fev decides to do after he has had time to get over and reflect on the inevitable disappointment of missing out could be a big indicator, by the way his court case isn't until the 3rd of Feb 2025!!
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| Congratulations to London, they played the system spot on and finished the season strongly. It'll be interesting if they now manage to establish themselves in SL. Going forward under the name "London" will, however, always be a problem as nobody in the Big Smoke really relates to the city in name, I would have thought taking on a regional name (Fulham was probably the biggest success in the city) would be a better idea.
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| Interesting now to see what London do, they won't be close to the top 12 for the IMG rankings so its a one time deal only for them next season so seems very little point in them going full time and wasting the funding they will get on players.
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"Congratulations to London, they played the system spot on and finished the season strongly. It'll be interesting if they now manage to establish themselves in SL. Going forward under the name "London" will, however, always be a problem as nobody in the Big Smoke really relates to the city in name, I would have thought taking on a regional name (Fulham was probably the biggest success in the city) would be a better idea.
It'll also be interesting to see if Toulouse decide to carry on in the Championship now the IMG will effectively pull up the drawbridge to SL. Hopefully not, as all they bring is high travelling costs in a league where clubs exist on very tight budgets. And would any Fax fan be happy if we participated in a French league with no local rivals? I certainly wouldn't. I'm surprised Toulouse fans are happy with this carry on as well, it's bonkers'"
Re Toulouse. We've been on about this tonight. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they jacked it in and followed Newcastle in pulling out of the league.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Re Toulouse. We've been on about this tonight. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they jacked it in and followed Newcastle in pulling out of the league.'"
It must cost Toulouse a small fortune in travel and accommodation. I can't for the life of me understand why they themselves would want to be part of a foreign league. Same with Catalans I suppose, even though they get decent crowds. But I would have thought the French RL would benefit more with their own domestic league?
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"It must cost Toulouse a small fortune in travel and accommodation. I can't for the life of me understand why they themselves would want to be part of a foreign league. Same with Catalans I suppose, even though they get decent crowds. But I would have thought the French RL would benefit more with their own domestic league?'"
Aye, you would think so. I cant see where Toulouse go from here though bearing in mind all this IMG rubbish. I doubt if they would be happy, unlike ourselves apparently, to just plod along and play meaninglessness games for the next however many years. Unless, of course, they know summat that we don't.
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| London have confirmed they will stay part time in SL next season which has lead to a bit of a meltdown from some fans but with next season been a one time only thing for them it would be madness for them to go full time only to have to go back part time in the championship in 2025.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"London have confirmed they will stay part time in SL next season which has lead to a bit of a meltdown from some fans but with next season been a one time only thing for them it would be madness for them to go full time only to have to go back part time in the championship in 2025.'"
This is completely insane! Surely even the clowns "in charge" of RL must realise how stupid this looks. All very frustrating as all we can do is helplessly stand back whilst a bunch of idiots make a mockery of the sport.
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| London staying part time is as a result of IMG confirming this week that regardless of where you finish in the league if you aren't among the top12 graded clubs you will be relegated, London know they won't be in that group.
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| I think it’s a sensible move by London. Why chuck money at something that isn’t going to improved their overall standing in 13 months time. If they do it right they could come out it with some money saved To spend on the 2026 championship season.
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| I'm not criticising London for "having" to become part time, but the reason why they've got to do it .... ie the IMG system. The whole way it works is so stupid it beggars belief. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum!
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"I'm not criticising London for "having" to become part time, but the reason why they've got to do it .... ie the IMG system. The whole way it works is so stupid it beggars belief. The lunatics really have taken over the asylum!'"
What an absolute shambles, and to think our club voted in favour of it!
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| Rightly or wrongly all the clubs voted on the principals that were set out in provisional draft of proposals some time ago.
Since then there's been a fair amount of decisions made that weren't voted on, for example the one on league position having no bearing if your outside the 12 and the London conundrum.
I dare say if the vote was to be taken again it might be different but each club would put personal interest first.
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