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| I wouldnt want my team to play like that - its not a case whether we are intelligent enough. I dont want to support a team that is playing to lose by less than 12 points. Dire, just dire.
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| Quote ="original_faxfan"No we wouldn't. We've not got the brains to play the way Barrow did second half. We'd have just kept the ball alive up the middle until we dropped it. I'm affraid I'm feeling very negative after watching that tonight. We've made a total mess of our oportunity this year. WE ARE the best team by a country mile and we've no form going into the play offs.'"
You're not joking about been negative. Get a grip man.
Barra lost tonight by the way and have lost their last 2. When we beat the french mob we will have WON our last 2. So which team will have the form?
Keep the faith!
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| Got to say I was quite happy with you going for the drop goal on monday
So what was that all about ?
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| Quote ="spanishbob"Without the ridiculous bonus point system we could still be going for top spot on Saturday.
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Losing a few games cost us top spot, we can't afford to lose another game this season now. We've had our bad run of results, it's someone else's turn now & I couldn't give a monkey's about performances, let's just win each game we play.
Barra strangled the life out of Sheffield for 90% of the second half and Rooney's kicking was their main attacking weapon.
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| If the bonus point stays, it should be dropped down to 6 points.
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| Tonight is the reason why Barrow WILL NOT win the grand final. A losers mentaility, that's probably why they lost the NRC Final ... "Oh we've got to the final, that's ok". Maybe soemone ought to tell them that they've won NOWT by coming top, and they won't be getting their six fingered hands on any silverware marra. Even the most hardened Barrow fan must feel totally ashamed and embarrased at their team going for penalty kicks and drop goals when they were losing. We have nothing to fear ... BRING IT ON!
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| Quote ="Tony Fax"Tonight is the reason why Barrow WILL NOT win the grand final. A losers mentaility, that's probably why they lost the NRC Final ... "Oh we've got to the final, that's ok". Maybe soemone ought to tell them that they've won NOWT by coming top, and they won't be getting their six fingered hands on any silverware marra. Even the most hardened Barrow fan must feel totally ashamed and embarrased at their team going for penalty kicks and drop goals when they were losing. We have nothing to fear ... BRING IT ON!'"
Ha ha, come on Tony if we could have played like Barrow did tonight, or to put it another way "if we had a plan B" we would have walked this league. Congrats Barrow
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| Im not a great fan of the bonus point but we have blown it ourselves. Barrow deserve to be top and we would have played for the bonus point tonight if it meant getting top spot. Well done to them. We just need to focus on winning on Saturday and then going up there and giving them a right good Yorkshire hiding
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"If the bonus point stays, it should be dropped down to 6 points.'"
I Agree
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| Quote ="BringBackRugbyLeagueBiff"If the bonus point stays, it should be dropped down to 6 points.'"
Very good point....if you pardon the pun!
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| Its naff, get rid.
And before Barrow and Sheffield fans say its 'sour grapes' cos they are above us (Sheffield at the mo only) its the way it makes teams just get some points on the board rather than trying to win the game.
Tonight was a prime example, okay Barrow were playing for the 'league leaders trophy' but come on surely they should be wanting to win the game rather than lose it by less than 12 points just to get a bonus point???
also Sheffield will finish above 2 teams who have won more and lost less than them, not even drawn a game either.
That cannot be right surely???
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| bonus point is a stupid idea!
hope its gone next year.......as for momentum going into the playoffs..if we win sat, sorry, [size=150when[/size we win saturday. we'll have won last 2, barrow lost last 2!
wev already beaten them 3times this yr and all importantly away aswell!
we all know if we play our game and get our heads on we can do them in barra, again. and more importantly maybe, so do they!!!
=blue[size=200COME ON FAX!!!! lets finish strong.[/size
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"Its naff, get rid.
And before Barrow and Sheffield fans say its 'sour grapes' cos they are above us (Sheffield at the mo only) its the way it makes teams just get some points on the board rather than trying to win the game.
Tonight was a prime example, okay Barrow were playing for the 'league leaders trophy' but come on surely they should be wanting to win the game rather than lose it by less than 12 points just to get a bonus point???
also Sheffield will finish above 2 teams who have won more and lost less than them, not even drawn a game either.
That cannot be right surely???'"
We got back to 22-22. Hardly playing for a bonus point ! Clarky, O'Connor and Bill Arthur gave the Barrow club hardly any credit for winning the league in our first season after promotion. Imagine the superlatives that would have been bleated had Gateshead been in our position tonight.
I agree that the bonus point should be looked at, but without it, the chances are we'd still be top anyway.
The Don Valley is a postage stamp of a pitch which doesn't suit our open play, it was heaving down, blowing a gale and we only played on Monday night. Sheffield's only weapon was big blokes barging over from 5 yards. Hard to defend against, but not very inspiring either.
Bonus point. Job done. League Champs.
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| Quote ="SRC"Bonus point. Job done. League Champs.'"
.....ahem..... Minor Premiers
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| so we played for the bonus point but who cares? the guys had a tough game monday nite, how are they meant to recover in 2 days.
we have won the league and have the home advantage to go straight to the grand final.
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| [i[u=blue[size=150The Bonus Point Rule Ruins our game and people Like Jamie Rooney and the other Barrow Players have taken it for granted today[/size
=darkblue[size=200I have workked out the table with out bonus points below[/size
=red[size=150Team-------P---- W---- D---- L---- PF--- PA--- Diff ---|Pts
Barrow-----20 -- 13 -- 0 --- 7 --- 632 - 361 --| 271 --| 39
Halifax-----19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 680 - 458 --| 222 --| 36
Fev---------19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 593 - 494 --| 99 --| 36
Widnes-----20 -- 11 -- 0 --- 9 --- 649 - 438 --| 211 --| 33
haven------19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 551 - 520 --| 31 --| 33
Sheffield---20 -- 11 -- 0 --- 9 --- 635 - 447 --| 188 --| 31
G'head-----19 -- 8 --- 2 --- 9 --- 554 - 657 --| -103--| 28
Toulouse---19 -- 9 --- 0 --- 10 -- 538 - 548 --| -10 --| 27
Batley------19 -- 7 --- 2 --- 10 -- 506 - 594 --| -88 --| 25
Leigh-------19 -- 8 --- 0 --- 11 -- 379 - 558 --| -179--| 24
Doncaster 19 -- 1 --- 0 --- 18 -- 257 - 899 --| -642--| -6[/size[/u[/i
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| Quote ="DiddlesFax"[i[u=blue[size=150The Bonus Point Rule Ruins our game and people Like Jamie Rooney and the other Barrow Players have taken it for granted today[/size
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Barrow-----20 -- 13 -- 0 --- 7 --- 632 - 361 --| 271 --| 39
Halifax-----19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 680 - 458 --| 222 --| 36
Fev---------19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 593 - 494 --| 99 --| 36
Widnes-----20 -- 11 -- 0 --- 9 --- 649 - 438 --| 211 --| 33
haven------19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 551 - 520 --| 31 --| 33
Sheffield---20 -- 11 -- 0 --- 9 --- 635 - 447 --| 188 --| 31
G'head-----19 -- 8 --- 2 --- 9 --- 554 - 657 --| -103--| 28
Toulouse---19 -- 9 --- 0 --- 10 -- 538 - 548 --| -10 --| 27
Batley------19 -- 7 --- 2 --- 10 -- 506 - 594 --| -88 --| 25
Leigh-------19 -- 8 --- 0 --- 11 -- 379 - 558 --| -179--| 24
Doncaster 19 -- 1 --- 0 --- 18 -- 257 - 899 --| -642--| -6[/size[/u[/i'"
2 for a draw ?
Doesn't make sense mate. Just work it out as 2pts for a win and 1 for a draw!! Some teams are in far the wrong place!!
Anyway, bonus points should reward attacking play, so 3 points for a win and a bonus point for scoring 4 tries or more. This gives teams who are 50 down an incentive to get over the whitewash!!
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| Maybe Barrow deserved to finish top despite the bonus point.
Minds need to be on our next game now. Toulouse..
The jurys still out on the bonus point here though.
but...
boohoo i dont wanna have to go to Barrow we may end up playing them 5 times this year.
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| Quote ="DiddlesFax"[i[u=blue[size=150The Bonus Point Rule Ruins our game and people Like Jamie Rooney and the other Barrow Players have taken it for granted today[/size
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Barrow-----20 -- 13 -- 0 --- 7 --- 632 - 361 --| 271 --| 39
Halifax-----19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 680 - 458 --| 222 --| 36
Fev---------19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 593 - 494 --| 99 --| 36
Widnes-----20 -- 11 -- 0 --- 9 --- 649 - 438 --| 211 --| 33
haven------19 -- 12 -- 0 --- 7 --- 551 - 520 --| 31 --| 33
Sheffield---20 -- 11 -- 0 --- 9 --- 635 - 447 --| 188 --| 31
G'head-----19 -- 8 --- 2 --- 9 --- 554 - 657 --| -103--| 28
Toulouse---19 -- 9 --- 0 --- 10 -- 538 - 548 --| -10 --| 27
Batley------19 -- 7 --- 2 --- 10 -- 506 - 594 --| -88 --| 25
Leigh-------19 -- 8 --- 0 --- 11 -- 379 - 558 --| -179--| 24
Doncaster 19 -- 1 --- 0 --- 18 -- 257 - 899 --| -642--| -6[/size[/u[/i'"
Does that meen we still finish 2nd ????
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| Without the bonus point it is 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw.
Therefore the table would look like this right now.
Barrow played 20 points 26
Halifax Played 19 points 24
Fev played 19 points 24
Whitehaven played 19 poins 24
Widnes played 20 points 22
Sheffield played 20 points 22
Thats the real league. As Barrow have a goal difference of 271 and ours is 222, we would have had to beat Toulouse by 50 points to claim top spot.
That means that it would still have been achievable. And look where Sheffield are now.
Scrap the bonus point NOW, it only rewards failure.
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| Quote ="spanishbob"Without the bonus point it is 2 points for a win and 1 for a draw.
Therefore the table would look like this right now.
Barrow played 20 points 26
Halifax Played 19 points 24
Fev played 19 points 24
Whitehaven played 19 poins 24
Widnes played 20 points 22
Sheffield played 20 points 22
Thats the real league. As Barrow have a goal difference of 271 and ours is 222, we would have had to beat Toulouse by 50 points to claim top spot.
That means that it would still have been achievable. And look where Sheffield are now.
Scrap the bonus point NOW, it only rewards failure.'"
But the bonus point is there to be used . It's not the bonus point that is at fault it's our fault for being so POOR in defence that's why we are in 2nd place. Fact.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"But the bonus point is there to be used . It's not the bonus point that is at fault it's our fault for being so POOR in defence that's why we are in 2nd place. Fact.'"
I do realise that the bonus point is there this season and the league table reflects this and teams play to it, you have only to see the negative play from Barrow last night, and that won them the top spot in the league.
I accept that it is totally our own fault that we are not top of the league we had chance after chance to wrap this league up, but the true fact is we absolutely blew it.
That said.
It shouldnt stop debate about why we have a stupid system that rewards failure. It hasnt happened, but a team could loose 10 nil and still get a point, that cannot be right.
The bonus point is ridiculous and we have had to endure it for too long now. If it was any good it would be used in Superleague, Australia, International and Barla. The truth is that it isnt, and it will never be, so why on earth should we have to enure it.
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| I don't like it either - if it was that good, why hasn't it been brought into Sooper Dooper League? Mind you, looking at the table without bonus points, it's just as well they're there, from Leigh's perspective! And I reckon, if we stay up, we owe Bob Beswick, big time - we've not signed him for next season, have we?!
Also, to be fair to Barrow, it's unacceptable that they had to play two crucial fixtures in less than four days! (another case of SKY dictating what goes on in our league!) If they'd concentrated on winning against Gateshead, that would have been better all round!!!
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| Quote ="spanishbob"I do realise that the bonus point is there this season and the league table reflects this and teams play to it, you have only to see the negative play from Barrow last night, and that won them the top spot in the league.
I accept that it is totally our own fault that we are not top of the league we had chance after chance to wrap this league up, but the true fact is we absolutely blew it.
That said.
It shouldnt stop debate about why we have a stupid system that rewards failure. It hasnt happened, but a team could loose 10 nil and still get a point, that cannot be right.
The bonus point is ridiculous and we have had to endure it for too long now. If it was any good it would be used in Superleague, Australia, International and Barla. The truth is that it isnt, and it will never be, so why on earth should we have to enure it.'"
In that scenario it rewards a defensive team then.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"In that scenario it rewards a defensive team then.'"
Nah.
That would reward a team who could not get score a point.
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