I just think you're a barmpot and I honestly can't recollect you giving me anything approaching a bloody nose.

Now, how's about debating the topics in question?

I can count at least three threads you've managed to derail, for what reason? Only you can fathom that one sunshine

His opinion of me, that I'm The Sin Bin's David Icke, doesn't bother me. Because I believe it to be wrong.

If his opinion of me is right, and I'm a loon with retarded opinions, that will massively affect my own opinion of myself. It would suck to go through that, but I'd do it. I'd prefer to know that I'm wrong and held retarded opinions than going through my life thinking I was right when I wasn't.

Now, if you're a troll playing the part of moron. Obviously calling you stupid won't help. You'll laugh because you've got a stupid bite. Whatever gets you through the day.

If you're just a self deluded stupid person then you'll just laugh at the silly man calling you stupid. You won't even let yourself think that you're stupid.

But what if his assessment of you being stupid is correct? What if you score 4/10 on an intelligence rating when you've always believed you're an 8 or 9? That won't bother you?

You seem slightly obsessed with yourself young man, and appear to be, becoming, rather tiresome.
You mentioned earlier that you thought you are perhaps slightly deluded, I'm beginning to think you aren't as stupid as I thought.
Get a decent night sleep, you'll be ok in the morning (or not).
Nite-nite.

*You're definitely a barmpot.

Has anybody ever lost a debate on a forum in their own mind?

The usual tactic when someone has been "owned" is to disappear. Have you ever read someone say, "You're right, you've changed my mind on that." on this or any forum?

I don't think I've EVER seen it. The closest I've even come to it was when Jerry Chicken said that I'd changed his mind over the Zimmerman trial. But Jerry wasn't part of that discussion, and nobody in the thread weighed in with anything. There was me saying one thing (at very long length), Mintball saying her thing. And then it died.

Derailing a thread. I didn't realise that the Sin Bin threads had to stay on their tracks. It's a general discussion forum. Discussions lead where they lead.

I've seen many people who have a massively higher opinion of themselves than everyone else has. I've seen people who act very wrong yet seem to think they were in the right.

Having seen that, I think it's a sensible question whether I am guilty of that too.

From your posts, I don't get the impression you have ever thought similar thoughts.



I think you took my comment that Mike Ashley didn't need, nor deserve your applause personally. I think we've been tussling since then because of that simple fact.

You won't admit that Ashley doesn't deserve applause on top of his payout. So it descends to this. It is very tiresome.

Just looked up and seen this isn't that thread. Without checking I think that if we both go back and see where we started talking in this thread, it will be because you had a dig.



You might not be as stupid as your posts appear. I think that's because you probably put such little effort into them. But when you do put so little effort into them, why bother in the first place?

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Hardly news but confirmation of what we already knew.

And if he is not advising the government (see last para), then what is he doing in his role as advisor and why won't Cameron answer straightforward questions as to his role as "advisor" ?

On this very thread, last Friday, I admitted I was wrong about Blood donations and Bain Capital, does that count?
One of the reasons for debate is to test one's argument and facts.

But you have seen it, I said so myself, you changed my mind on that thread and I've altered my opinions many times by reading threads or following links and reading alternative views - its called normal life.

I don't recognise the word "owned", I don't follow the logic of anyone who wishes to stomp their feet on an internet forum, or bully, or abuse, or just act the tw*t, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever particularly when most are hiding behind usernames (although I do know several users on here personally), several know me, if you want to know more follow the links in my signature there is even my address on one of those web sites (below) and guess what, despite the paranoia no-one has ever turned up on my doorstep and written in green crayon all over my front door "I owned you in a debate on the NHS" - internet forums are mere entertainment , can be informative, but mostly pass a few minutes of the day in a self indulgent way.

You're right. I didn't remember that. Given how recent it was I probably should have.

But it was a trivial point where the facts were easily proved. It was a fairly minor detail but your main argument still stood completely.

IMO you even admitting you'd got something wrong was rare on the internet. People generally don't do it, even on minor details that shouldn't be in dispute. I think a lot of people do that in real life too. As someone who is willing to admit when I've done something wrong it's one of the things that annoys me about many other people.

I have received a hospital appointment timed for 12pm.
I reckon they don't really mean midnight, so I'm going to turn up at noon.

Or are clinics 24 x 7 now?

I remarked upon it because it was remarkable to me. In all honesty, that's pretty much the only time I have ever had any feedback that I'd changed someone's mind in the 15 years I've been on the net. It's pretty much the first time I've ever even seen it on an internet forum. I don't think it happens very often. I think it happens as often as a "you've won a million" email is genuine.

In my opinion Mintball, the person who I was debating things with, never even acknowledged whether my points had any validity or not. She just did a Bill Clinton, "Well that depends on what the defintion of 'is' is." and bailed.



You might refuse to recognise the term "owned" but you know exactly what the meaning behind it is (and for some reason I don't know, the kids actually use the term "pwned"icon_wink.gif.

I don't want to "own" people. I generally just want to debate. If I see something I strongly agree or disagree with then I'll post. If I think someone's wrong then I'll give my opinion and give my reasoning for it. I do get the strong feeling that people do not like this style and it would probably be for the best for everyone if I wasn't here.

I don't want to bully or abuse people. I am definitely not a "troll". I'm not hiding behind a username. If I'm bullying or abusing people I think that's generally because they'll refuse to even admit there was even the slightest flaw to their completely wrong point and instead have a dig in some way. If someone has a personal dig in my ribs while evading plain facts then generally I'll punch them back on the nose. Hard.

I'll admit I'm not hard to wind up. If someone wants a scrap generally they'll get it. I think there have been at least a few times when I've gone too far even by my standards. On one occasion I ashamed myself with what I did.

12pm is noon.

Is it just me who's imagining a patient laid out on a psychiatrists sofa?
You're obviously going through insomniacal periods judging by your post times.

Have a lie down and we'll leave this thread to NHS Privatisation.

**** off.

Look, anyone who wants to judge the confrontation between me and this div can look at the threads.

I'm done with you. You are ****ing stupid. You think I'm stupid. So let's just agree that I don't respond to you and you don't respond to me.

Don't bother replying, just **** off.

I guess if anyone else wants to make this *deal* with me, just reply on the thread or PM me.

*deal*

FFS

Barmpot.

Bed!

Is not.

The p stands for "post", that's Latin that is ... it means "after".
The m stands for "meridiem", that's also Latin ... it means midday.

Therefore, pm means "the number of hours after noon".
Hence 12 pm is 12 hours post meridiem ... i.e. midnight.

So what's 12 am?
Well, it's not nowadays the number of hours still to go before the meridiem, otherwise it would go 12 am, 11 am, 10 am and so on until 00 am, which would be noon (actually that makes sense but our clocks go from 1 round to 12) .
We use it as the number of hours [uinto[/u the ante meridiem.
Strictly speaking, a point 12 hours into the ante meridiem period (before noon) can't exist, as the point exactly between 11am and 1pm is yer actual meridiem which can't be am (before meridiem) or pm (after meridiem), because noon can't be before noon and noon can't be after noon.

Buuuuut, as the hour hand points at the number 12 twice per 24 hours, we therefore need a name for the meridiem as "12-something" ... and as 12 [upm[/u is already busy with its job of correctly denoting midnight ... the only name that remains available, in the am-pm sense, is 12 am ... even though 12 am is, strictly speaking, meaningless.

It certainly is, as is 24.00.

It started OK but ended badly.

Indeed, 24:00 should be 00:00.

You want 11.59.59 pm, 12.00.00pm, 12.00.01am. 11.59.59am, 12.00.00am, 12.00.01pm.

Good luck with that, but it's moronic.

Yes but you want 11.59.59am, 12.00.00pm, 12.00.01pm, 11.59.59 pm, 12.00.00am, 12.00.01am
Good luck with that, but it's moronic, the consecutive 11 and 12 aren't in the same am or pm.


Actually, what I really want is a 24-hour clock to avoid confusing people (like you) who don't know what the terms ante meridiem and post meridiem mean.
Either that or use the terms noon (or mid-day) and midnight.

Anyway, it is not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period and still be [ubefore[/u noon ... because it IS noon at that point.
Perfectly logical.

Yes, just like everyone who isn't you.



Does that even make sense to you?



I know what they mean. Before midday and after midday. Midday is neither before or after itself.



Or you just accept that everyone else just uses the most sensible 12pm = midday and 12am = midnight.



As it's not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period, shouldn't you just agree that calling for noon to be 12 am is pretty dumb?

I have already said that because it's not possible to be 12 hours into the before-noon period that it cannot truly be either am or pm.
Calling it 12am is just slightly less dumb than calling it 12pm.

12 hours past noon makes sense as 12pm. (after all, midnight is genuinely 12 hours post meridiem).
12 hours past midnight does not make sense as 12pm because is not 12 hours post meridiem.

What is truly dumb is failing to use the perfectly acceptable and perfectly accurate terms midday and midnight, as I do to to avoid the ambiguity that you mortals wilfully embrace.

So as you admit one of them is meaningless, why not just accept that they are both meaningless?

12 hours after midday is MIDNIGHT. It is the start of a new day. Why push for that 1 second to be 12pm when everyone else is fine with just putting 12am?



It isn't. It is significantly more dumb for the midnight and midday to be seperate from the rest of the hours starting 12.



Yes. The precise moment of midnight makes sense as 12pm because it's 12 hours after midday. BUT IT'S ALSO 12 HOURS BEFORE MIDDAY TOO.

But 1 second after midnight is am. Arguing that one second of 1200 hours is am and one second of 0000 is pm is stupid and very few people apart from you are this daft.



Agreed. But it doesn't make sense as am either because it is the meridiem. For one ****ing second.



What is truly dumb is your refusal to accept everyone else's acceptence of noon as 12pm and midnight as 12am.