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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"I can not believe the statement I’ve seen from the RFL.
Two things:
1. The assertion that someone who racially abused another player is in fact not a racist. This is almost a racist comment in itself, based on the belief that racist behaviour doesn’t make someone a racist. Defending racists in this way is horrendous from the RFL.
2. The justification of racism based on the argument of “simply that on this occasion he used unacceptable language in the heat of the moment.” This is the RFL making excuses for racism.'"
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| Quote ="Airlie Street"You do know the panel is independent and not the RFL right?'"
Wouldn’t you consider the statement to be the RFL’s, given it’s on their website and they’ve released it? |
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Did Clubb admit it? It’s not clear from the report.
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| Quote ="Lord Tony Smith":3boow02xSometimes it helps to read the room.'" well at the club. We do not find that he is a racist, simply that on this occasion he used unacceptable language in the heat of the moment. |
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"I would prefer the court room decide as il this case, this Judge made his decision.
In reaching its decision the tribunal, chaired by His Honour Judge Guy Kearl QC, considered submissions from both players and clubs, the match official’s report, broadcast footage and character references.
We have considered the evidence of both players and the circumstances surrounding the allegation and find that we are reasonably satisfied, taking into account the seriousness of the charge, that the words were said, albeit in the heat of the moment, but nevertheless were said.
“They do constitute unacceptable language based on [a player’s racial and ethnic origin and therefore we find that this was serious misconduct which has brought the game into disrepute.
“On the other hand we have considered the character references placed before us by Wigan Warriors from those who know [Tony Clubb well at the club. We do not find that he is a racist, simply that on this occasion he used unacceptable language in the heat of the moment.'"
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I've never used racist or bigoted language in the heat of the moment as guess what I'm not a racist or a bigot.
Tony clubb may not be a member of the BNP but the fact still remains that for someone to use such language clearly feels that language is not offensive. |
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Wigan should have released Clubb for bringing the club into disrepute.
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| A Romanian once called me an 'English Pig' after I accidentally 'jumped the queue' in Asda, It was an accident, and I let him go back in front of me, Anyway, I was so upset after what he called me, how dare he.  |
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Did Clubb admit it? It’s not clear from the report.'"
The fact he has made no statement in nearly week says it all.
If I had been accused of that and I was innocent then I would have released something as soon as I could to try and clear my name.
If he is guilty and it looks that way, I'm more disappointed that he hasn't apologised publically than what he said, we all make mistakes, but it shows the type of person he is that he hasn't the guts to apologise for his actions. |
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| Quote ="Dave K."The fact he has made no statement in nearly week says it all.
If I had been accused of that and I was innocent then I would have released something as soon as I could to try and clear my name.
If he is guilty and it looks that way, I'm more disappointed that he hasn't apologised publically than what he said, we all make mistakes, but it shows the type of person he is that he hasn't the guts to apologise for his actions.'"
Its not about guts, its about brains. The guy can barely lace up his own boots |
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I'm a bit torn about this, is calling someone a name prefixed by the country of their birth a racist slur. Is polynesian a race. Theoretically you could be a white, black or any other race but still polynesian. Similar to if you call someone an English, French person a slur prefixed with the nation of birth.
I actually find it weird he called him that in the heat of an argument and would have thought had he meant it as a racist slur he would've just used colour as a prefix. Not condoning it just trying to see the angle of it not having to come back to race or him being a racist.
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I find it ironic that they mentioned his character with positive references, yet he didn't enter the field at the end of the game to shake hands, and has neither released a public apology or offered an apology to Andre Savelio.
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"I find it ironic that they mentioned his character with positive references, yet he didn't enter the field at the end of the game to shake hands, and has neither released a public apology or offered an apology to Andre Savelio.'"
Perhaps he'd been advised not to, as it might otherwise be taken as an admission of guilt - whereas nowadays it seems standard practice for people not to admit their wrongdoings but to wait until any evidence is provided / verdict reached
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Will the upstanding organisation that is Wigan Warriors now hold a "polynesian day" at their next home game against Hull FC when fans are allowed? You know, like the LGBT day they had planned for Folau?
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| Quote ="Dave K."The fact he has made no statement in nearly week says it all.
If I had been accused of that and I was innocent then I would have released something as soon as I could to try and clear my name.
If he is guilty and it looks that way, I'm more disappointed that he hasn't apologised publically than what he said, we all make mistakes, but it shows the type of person he is that he hasn't the guts to apologise for his actions.'"
If he’s not admitted it and been found guilty that goes against his good character. |
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| Quote ="Steph Curry"Its not about guts, its about brains. The guy can barely lace up his own boots'"
What are you implying about him? |
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"If he’s not admitted it and been found guilty that goes against his good character.'"
Pathetic for me, but rules are rules. |
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| Quote ="RoyBoy29"What are you implying about him?'"
Don't worry, he said it in the heat of the moment so let him off |
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| Quote ="barham red"I'm a bit torn about this, is calling someone a name prefixed by the country of their birth a racist slur. Is polynesian a race. Theoretically you could be a white, black or any other race but still polynesian. Similar to if you call someone an English, French person a slur prefixed with the nation of birth.
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There are many white Africans but if you called a black man a "stupid African ****" then that's hugely racist. I see this as the same.
Polynesia is an area that has a distinct culture, history, and shared physical characteristics. That makes it a race.
I think you raise some fair questions but I'd say it was most definitely racist and the proverbial book should have been hurled at him. |
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Bradford have Flanagan out for a similar length ban for attacking Bussey's knackers. There is little to no video evidence of it happening, Flanagan denies it, and Bussey was heard to say "I've got you now". So either Flanagan is a liar and frankly a house for attacking someone's balls, or Bussey is a liar and a house for maliciously getting a fellow player banned.
The point I'm making is just how difficult it is to pass judgement in instances where the evidence is solely the testimony of two opposing blokes. Essentially with AS and Clubb we know that either someone is lying or someone misheard something. Can Clubb really recall the exact conversation in the detail he gave in that statement? If the statement is correct then is AS lying or just mistaken? Or is the statement completely false and is Clubb lying?
In both instances, the attacking of the joyglobes and of racism, the act is repellent and doing nothing isn't an option, but its a tricky one to navigate.
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Bradford have Flanagan out for a similar length ban for attacking Bussey's knackers. There is little to no video evidence of it happening, Flanagan denies it, and Bussey was heard to say "I've got you now". So either Flanagan is a liar and frankly a house for attacking someone's balls, or Bussey is a liar and a house for maliciously getting a fellow player banned.
The point I'm making is just how difficult it is to pass judgement in instances where the evidence is solely the testimony of two opposing blokes. Essentially with AS and Clubb we know that either someone is lying or someone misheard something. Can Clubb really recall the exact conversation in the detail he gave in that statement? If the statement is correct then is AS lying or just mistaken? Or is the statement completely false and is Clubb lying?
In both instances, the attacking of the joyglobes and of racism, the act is repellent and doing nothing isn't an option, but its a tricky one to navigate.
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Surely there must have been witnesses to what was said? Did any other player offer any evidence?
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I'm confused now.
Clubb is guilty of racism for saying someone "ISN'T POLYNESIAN, BUT IS FROM WARRINGTON"?
I'm also concerned how many times the word c;;t appears in that exchange. It's the gutter of language and whilst it's a "mans game", that sort of language has no place in modern society.
Polynesian, Northern or cockney, their mums should wash both their mouths out with soap 
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I'm confused now.
Clubb is guilty of racism for saying someone "ISN'T POLYNESIAN, BUT IS FROM WARRINGTON"?
I'm also concerned how many times the word c;;t appears in that exchange. It's the gutter of language and whilst it's a "mans game", that sort of language has no place in modern society.
Polynesian, Northern or cockney, their mums should wash both their mouths out with soap
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| Quote ="orangeman"I'm confused now.
Clubb is guilty of racism for saying someone "ISN'T POLYNESIAN, BUT IS FROM WARRINGTON"?
I'm also concerned how many times the word c;;t appears in that exchange. It's the gutter of language and whilst it's a "mans game", that sort of language has no place in modern society.
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| Quote ="orangeman"
I'm confused now.
Clubb is guilty of racism for saying someone "ISN'T POLYNESIAN, BUT IS FROM WARRINGTON"?
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The full text of the decision seems to indicate that Clubb should not have brought the word "Polynesian" into it, the swear word not being relevant to the charge.
I may have been called a Yorkshire **** many times, but I could not for the life of me take being called a Yorkshireman as racism. Nor even a "caucasian" ****
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The context is that Clubb is saying that Savelio isn't Polynesian, noting that Savelio was born in NZ with a Samoan father, albeit moved to Warrington in his early years.
So I'm guessing you'd be more upset if someone said your weren't English or you weren't a proper Yorkshireman, as that's what essentially Clubb has said, and therefore why it's taken within the remit of racist abuse.
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