Yeah let's do that, now TRESemme has thrown everyone a curve ball.

Frexit Anyone?

Frexit followed by Gexit maybe

what a year that would be

With Merkel saying that the UK must pay it's "divorce" settlement figure before negotiations can begin, are all the brexitiers still feeling confident.

Holland are staying in, France look likely to follow (as Le Pen's share of the vote isnt likely to increase far beyond the 35% that she got in the first round) and then all attention will move to Germany.
Nothing is going to happen until after their election, which makes a large hole on the 2 year timescale for negotiations to be complete.

The whole thing looks worse by the day and with UK consumers tightening their belts (see today's figures growth figures for the first quarter 0.3%) which make for very sorry reading and the currency inflation still working its way through the system will tighten things further.

Not a chance the UK will pay a settlement figure in advance of talks.

You just revert to WTO position on both sides and as the EU sells us more than we sell it so they will be harder hit.

We then need to look to alternative markets to sell our goods and other options for supply e.g. manufacture it ourselves or buy product from outside of the EEC let's face it there are plenty of options. Just because Europe is a big customer now doesn't mean it has to be in the future.

I simply don't get all the negativity - a deal is only a good deal if it works for both parties - the idea the EU can bully us into a deal that is so one sided that it is onerous doesn't make any sense.

The UK is a very important market to the EU you don't on your best customer and expect them to remain your best customer. As I said before what we BMW do if the tarifs slow sales down, they will simply manufacture in the UK - win win.

THe EU do sell more to the UK that we sell to the EU but "their " total sale to the UK are spread amongst the 27 nations (Granted Germany is the biggest single supplying nation).
Therefore the "hit" on our sales, although smaller than the "hit" for the EU is massively higher to the UK.
BMW may move some of their manufacturing over here but, what about the UK car industry, which exports over 80% of its production, much of it to the EU



You say that you dont poop on your best customer but, "we" have just told our best customer that we no longer want to be part of their "club" .



It's sure going to be interesting to see how it all pans out and IF the UK economy starts to slow (sorry, continues to slow), the pressure will build on our negotiating team.

I've been banging on for months about the importance of trading with the EU and others have used the Farage line about new markets but it's just fantasy stuff.

It's like your local Londis or One Stop advertising in the next town for business, whilst ignoring the local trade.

More utter garbage, the decision has been made. GET OVER IT

Utter garbage, really ??

Just remember, we're not out, yet and IF it all starts to look horribly bad, would you still want out or, might you want to think about it.
Lemmings and cliff edge spring to mind.

The leave campaigns major slogan was the 350 million pound we would save upon leaving the eu. Unfortunately it looks like we will be paying considerable sums of money for years to come. Not the 60 billion up front they have asked for which is ludicrous, but monies to keep us trading with the eu. So the 350 million pound saving claim looks completely false.
As I have remarked on several occasions, this will become an extremely bitter and confrontational time between us and the eu.
Already with the eu comments on Northern Ireland and Gibraltar enflaming an already delicate situation.
Whilst I voted to remain I am starting to turn against the Germans. Merkel sits on a huge pile of German money whilst doing nothing to ease the pain of the Southern European countries. Germany with the French poodle will do everything to damage our economy. If things become as fraught as I think they will, we will have tough it out. How you may ask. For one ,Let's pull out of NATO so when the Russian bear with Putin starts threatening the eastern borders our response should be nothing to do with us.
Sort out your own problems.

I can't get why the 5/6th biggest economy in the world will struggling to survive outside of the EU. The EU is one market there are a host of other potential markets where we can increase market share.

A fair point, my concern is the length of time to build up these markets. We should be already exploiting these markets.
I was surprised that Germany exports to India massively exceeds our exports to India . Yet we share the common language with the Indian business community. Germany also exports more to China than we do. Once again they manage to do that whilst being a eu member.
One country that could suffer with our withdrawal from the eu is Ireland. We are big customer of Irish products. Hence the shameful comments from the eu to entice Northern Ireland into the eu.
If that remote situation came about, you can imagine the weeping and wailing from our Scottish cousins north of the border.

IF we can buy product more cheaply from areas outside the EU that previously had large tariffs in place, the EU would prevent us dumping this product in the euro zone, that is just obvious and where exactly are the new markets and why weren't we supplying into those areas previously.
Also, the current suppliers into these areas aren't just going to roll over and let the UK steal their customers.

Despite the positive spin by Farage & Co, there simply aren't massive un-tapped markets that we can waltz into and find heaps of new customers.

Supplying the EU is critical to our future prosperity and although we will have some kind of trade deal, post Brexit, we have put this situation at risk.

Why can't we become more self-sufficient so we make product that we sell internally?

We deal with the EU because its close so our efforts are directed that way - are you saying only the EU wants the products/services we produce?

Yes, utter garbage, like everything you post, people have voted, its done, get grumpy in your jumper and chair and tutt at intelligent people. Thats all you have left.

The UK has always been a trading nation but, we have never been anywhere near self sufficient.
Therefore even IF we could miraculously compete with the cheap labour nations such as China, Indonesia, Pakistan, India and the emerging African nations, where are the raw materials going to come from.
The days are long gone where Britain produced more than half of the worlds coal etc and we simply can not compete with producing other items.
We are strong in finance, innovative in engineering (but, no longer lead the rest of the world) and we have been excellent in the sciences, in research and development but, we have a balance of trade deficit, especially in visible trade, that is huge.

Perhaps you should put forward your view of life after Brexit.
You may even convince myself and others that life will indeed be better but, in all your non "contributory" posts so far, you havent managed to give anything.
Maybe, like some of our esteemed politicians, you are keeping your powder dry but, I suspect not.
Crossing fingers doesnt often make things better.

Perhaps you should have a look at how the main EU leaders view Brexit and if you read what they are all saying you will have a better insight into what may happen in the short-medium term.
It is nowhere near what was promised by "leave"in the referendum campaign and then take a look at our "strong and stable" economy and decide if we are on the way up or, on the way down and then make another judgement on where our country is headed and we havent left (the EU) yet.

We will have because that is the way the economy have been developed - it doesn't mean that is how it has always to be. We have shown that when we put our mind to it we can be really good at manufacturing - the car factories in the NE and Derby, JCB etc

If these tariffs get so prohibitive it may well force a change to the dynamics of our economy and how it functions?

Old people bore me, a decision has been made, its called democracy, Id have preferred to remain, but we play the hand we're dealt. A country under Corbyn would be the wosrt outcome ever.

The question I ask myself every time I open a product bought from a British company only to find a small sticker somewhere saying Made in China/Vietnam/Bangladesh/India is 'how could this not have been made here?' Only the other week I found a Made in Vietnam sticker while assembling a cot from a British company. It's just wood, white paint and a handful of screws for Christ's sake!

In today's race to the bottom I suppose we've just become accustomed to mass manufactured crap being made by 12 year olds and shipped half way round the world. And the carefree attitude of consumerism is to just buy a cheap one and replace it with another cheap one when it inevitably breaks and repeat ad infinitum. Incessant and invasive marketing techniques just pile on the pressure for some consumers. Visit a companies website now and their ads have the power of following you around the internet for months if you don't block them.

I had the 'buy well, buy once' mantra drilled into me from an early age and it's shocking to see the number of once quality manufacturers who have sold their souls to the profit devils.

If we end up worse off due to tariff changes, it will just reduce consumer spending, making us all just a little worse off.
For most this will just mean a bit of belt tightening, just as it may for some of our EU counterparts but, for people at the bottom of the pile in our "equal and fair society" it will push them closer to the edge and in some cases over the edge.
The British workforce are just as good as other places in the world but, our wages are somewhat higher, which means that for many products, we just cannot manufacture them competitively.

I dont see any major shift in the dynamics of our economy but losing significant chunks of the financial services sector may leave the exchequer looking for other ways to boost his coffers.

Manufacturing lends itself to automation. To be competitive requires capital investment. Labour costs in that event are not the big element they used to be.

The eu is in the process of submitting various large costs to us for our exit. This in addition to the original claim of 60 billion.
We have the best intelligence services in the world along with the Americans. Thus information is shared with the eu. Perhaps we should be charging the eu for this facility.
I also note we have been asked to supply more troops to Afghanistan. Meanwhile Germany still sits on a mountain of cash whilst we as usual take up the heavy lifting.
Poland is being criticized by the French poodle for not taking in refugees, good on them because they are not refugees, they are economic migrants.

The eu is in the process of submitting various large costs to us for our exit. This in addition to the original claim of 60 billion.
We have the best intelligence services in the world along with the Americans. Thus information is shared with the eu. Perhaps we should be charging the eu for this facility.
I also note we have been asked to supply more troops to Afghanistan. Meanwhile Germany still sits on a mountain of cash whilst we as usual take up the heavy lifting.
Poland is being criticized by the French poodle for not taking in refugees, good on them because they are not refugees, they are economic migrants.

If you think the country will just go over the abyss after brexit then I cannot agree I think we will weather the storm and come out of stronger and if we do it will signal the end of the EU

For years people have been forecasting the break up of the eu. It will never happen France and Germany would not let that happen. I always find it ironic that several of the countries indulging in the criticism of us ,are countries that don't pay into the eu they receive money from the EU.
Obviously the big eu problem with the eu is the transformation from a trading union to a political union. This with the adoption of the euro was the start of the problems.
Who would have thought years ago that British parliament laws would be overridden by a Brussels court.