mmmmm sounds like as the washing was done more came out !!

I look forward to hearing Ferocious Aardvarks reply reply after he wrote.



Maybe the Lions share was Mrs Saldanhas mental health with the actions of the djs and the radio station being of smaller contibution

I look forward to hearing Cronus reply reply after he wrote.

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Now we find out she had significant Mental Health problems and had two SERIOUS suicide attempts last year. The more to the story is coming out . A sad affair with many victims and lots of people having to come to terms with a tragic incident.

If only Ms Middleton hadn't had morning sickness?
If only she'd employed a different hospital
If only they'd had a receptionist on duty?
If only Ms Saldanha hadn't picked the phone up?
If only she hadn't previously had mental problems?
If only the Aus radio station hadn't made a prank call?
If only Father Christmas existed?

If only that tower you were on about had been built in 1980.

My original post remains 100% my opinion. Unlike you, seemingly:

Er, yes. She did. Maybe even on your planet they accept that now?
Credit though for managing to twist things round to the extent that you now suggest most of the "blame" for the suicide can be put on the nurse's mental health. That is truly sick, if ingenious.

I'm not sure FA as to whether you're the Oracle or the Orifice of this Forum. Perhaps you could share your thoughts on the part that her two previous suicide attempts in the last 12 months could have played.......?

And in light of these revelations, would a concerned chappie such as yourself be rather keen to ask the odious Mr Vaz what knowledge he had of this?

selectively quoted by you but you embarasss yourself even more by still trying to blame others rather than accepting that this was a woman with significant mental health problems who tried to kill herself twice before the incident with the DJs occurred.

Anything could have tipped her over the edge into a successful suicide attempt. It is just unfortunate it was the actions of a radio station.

Still you were quick to get the pitchforks out before all the facts were known. You then had the nerve to accuse others who said lets wait for the facts to come out before we jump on the bandwagon.

|Have you put the pitchforks and flaming torches away yet or still wanting the Djs and radio station dragged through the streets for a public flogging

It's Xmas evening and I've had a couple of shandies so I'll give you that one.



Watch your back!

Well, I should give it some more thought; it's not your strong suit, but it beats the hell out of what passes for your wit.


Yes, that's pretty straightforward. None. Had the call not been broadcast around the world, there is NO reason to suppose the nurse would not have gone back to work and done her daily job, just as she uneventfully had for the years she had done it.


Why do you think I am remotely interested in Vaz?

I am 'concerned' for the victim and her family, as I can imagine what they are going through, and all for a cheap laugh and radio ratings.

Rot. What embarrasses you now, is that you posed the question of whether it was even suicide. If you are trying to suggest that my "selective quote" misrepresents what you said, sadly it doesn't.


I really don't. As I have said from the beginning, I blame the radio station who chose to broadcast the tape. And frankly don't see how any fair minded person could do otherwise.


I'm sorry - I never realised that you were her psychiatrist. Now that you have let the cat out of the bag, you may as well tell us - WHAT "significant mental health problems did she have in the first week of December 2012? Come on, you've made the claim. What "edge" was she on? What other sort of thing could have happened to push her over it? Was she just looking for an excuse, then? "Anything"? Is this your seriously considered view?

What I do know is she had lived to be 46, was a wife and a mother of 2 children, and a very responsible job, described by all as a dedicated and caring member of the nursing profession.

But OK, let's for a second run with your theory; this means then that it's OK to pick on people who might - for all you know or care - be vulnerable, ill, or depressed, because if they then suffer, well, that's their lookout innit, not your fault they woz a nutter, or had a weak heart, or whatever, eh?

Ironically, the presenters at the heart of the story don't actually seem a bit like that, they seem to be pretty distraught at the death. If you thought about it for a second, you would realise that the "revelations" won't actually have made one iota of difference to how they feel. Your crass take on it seems to be like "Ah, so apparently she tried to top herself before then, phew, well thank feck for that. For a minute there I felt a bit guilty"


Liar. Whilst I have dismissed dark conspiracy hinters like you and your ignorant mate, I am not on any bandwagon, and my original post remains perfectly true. Plus, as I have several times previously said, all the facts are NOT known nor will they be until the inquest finds them. Funny how that was [iyour[/i claimed position, but now you suddenly seem to know all the facts.


I've a plan for you, liar, either post where I said any such thing, or else apologise for lying.

Quote :3fub7rjeFerocious Aardvark Rot. What embarrasses you now, is that you posed the question of whether it was even suicide'" :3fub7rje. Until the inquest states it was suicide it is only an apparent suicide. You are the one who now talks about waiting for the inquest well that is what the inquest does. Quote :3fub7rjeI really don't. As I have said from the beginning, I blame the radio station who chose to broadcast the tape. And frankly don't see how any fair minded person could do otherwise. '" :3fub7rje Because the evidence we have seen shows that this was a woman who had Mental Health problems had recently being under the care of a Psychiatrist and had made TWO serous suicide attempts this year Quote :3fub7rje Now that you have let the cat out of the bag, you may as well tell us - WHAT "significant mental health problems did she have in the first week of December 2012?'" :3fub7rje www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... tempt.html But you know this but still try to put the blame on the prank as being the cause of it all. Do You think that the information we have on her recent medical history suggests she had significant mental health problems at the begining of the year and that all those problems had suddenly vanished 11 months later and that only the prank made her ill again. Quote :3fub7rjeWhat I do know is she had lived to be 46, was a wife and a mother of 2 children, and a very responsible job, described by all as a dedicated and caring member of the nursing profession.'" :3fub7rje Ooh lets play the emotional guilt trip card. Nowt like whipping up the emotions when you are on a crusade. Quote :3fub7rjeLiar. Whilst I have dismissed dark conspiracy hinters like you and your ignorant mate'" :3fub7rje, My conspiracy theory was that there is more to come out in the wash and i quoted on many occasions key issues that needed to be known about before we could piece together what caused the death of the nurse Including HER MENTAL HEALTH. Quote :3fub7rjeI am not on any bandwagon, and my original post remains perfectly true'" :3fub7rje. Quote :3fub7rjeThe people who took the decision to broadcast clearly have appalling judgment. I'm sure offences must have been committed and if so they must be prosecuted. They aren't fit to be in charge of a broadcast station and should resign or have their licence pulled =#FF0000:3fub7rje FA page 11:3fub7rje['" :3fub7rje Quote :3fub7rjeOn all known facts the nurse took her life as the final act in a short sequence of events in which the prank call was the first, and so the outcome of the prank was, ultimately, her death.=#FF0000:3fub7rje FA page 13:3fub7rje '" :3fub7rje So the whole of the press is demanding heads must role, you are looking for prosecutions and a Radio station to have its licence pulled. Not that you are on the bandwagon mate Quote :3fub7rje Plus, as I have several times previously said, all the facts are NOT known nor will they be until the inquest finds them.'" :3fub7rje. Quote :3fub7rjeYou say "No-one does". Well, her husband is reportedly "seething" with the presenters and the hospital management, and I venture to suggest that having read her suicide note, he may have a fairly good idea =#FF0000:3fub7rje FA page 13:3fub7rje'" :3fub7rje so now you are saying lets wait for the inquest to know the facts but 12 pages ago you were saying that because of selective quotes from the family you knew enough I was not the one apportioning blame until facts came out. You were all for the judge , jury and executioner before we knew anything. Quote :3fub7rjeFunny how that was [i:3fub7rjeyour[/i:3fub7rje claimed position, but now you suddenly seem to know all the facts.'" :3fub7rje NO i dont know all the facts but i was not demanding heads should role before we knew anything. I still think there is more to come out in the wash particularly the role of hospital management. When we know that maybe then we should talk about who should lose their jobs. Yet you knew who should be sacked on page 11 Quote :3fub7rjeI've a plan for you, liar, either post where I said any such thing, or else apologise for lying.'" I wont accuse you of being a liar as it is clear you are deluded. Keep taking the tablets and see your therapist. Then you will not accuse others who have tried to say let's wait for the facts to emerge before we decide where all the blame lies and what consequences are appropriate for those involved.

Quote :3fub7rjeFerocious Aardvark Rot. What embarrasses you now, is that you posed the question of whether it was even suicide'" :3fub7rje. Until the inquest states it was suicide it is only an apparent suicide. You are the one who now talks about waiting for the inquest well that is what the inquest does. Quote :3fub7rjeI really don't. As I have said from the beginning, I blame the radio station who chose to broadcast the tape. And frankly don't see how any fair minded person could do otherwise. '" :3fub7rje Because the evidence we have seen shows that this was a woman who had Mental Health problems had recently being under the care of a Psychiatrist and had made TWO serous suicide attempts this year Quote :3fub7rje Now that you have let the cat out of the bag, you may as well tell us - WHAT "significant mental health problems did she have in the first week of December 2012?'" :3fub7rje www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... tempt.html But you know this but still try to put the blame on the prank as being the cause of it all. Do You think that the information we have on her recent medical history suggests she had significant mental health problems at the begining of the year and that all those problems had suddenly vanished 11 months later and that only the prank made her ill again. Quote :3fub7rjeWhat I do know is she had lived to be 46, was a wife and a mother of 2 children, and a very responsible job, described by all as a dedicated and caring member of the nursing profession.'" :3fub7rje Ooh lets play the emotional guilt trip card. Nowt like whipping up the emotions when you are on a crusade. Quote :3fub7rjeLiar. Whilst I have dismissed dark conspiracy hinters like you and your ignorant mate'" :3fub7rje, My conspiracy theory was that there is more to come out in the wash and i quoted on many occasions key issues that needed to be known about before we could piece together what caused the death of the nurse Including HER MENTAL HEALTH. Quote :3fub7rjeI am not on any bandwagon, and my original post remains perfectly true'" :3fub7rje. Quote :3fub7rjeThe people who took the decision to broadcast clearly have appalling judgment. I'm sure offences must have been committed and if so they must be prosecuted. They aren't fit to be in charge of a broadcast station and should resign or have their licence pulled =#FF0000:3fub7rje FA page 11:3fub7rje['" :3fub7rje Quote :3fub7rjeOn all known facts the nurse took her life as the final act in a short sequence of events in which the prank call was the first, and so the outcome of the prank was, ultimately, her death.=#FF0000:3fub7rje FA page 13:3fub7rje '" :3fub7rje So the whole of the press is demanding heads must role, you are looking for prosecutions and a Radio station to have its licence pulled. Not that you are on the bandwagon mate Quote :3fub7rje Plus, as I have several times previously said, all the facts are NOT known nor will they be until the inquest finds them.'" :3fub7rje. Quote :3fub7rjeYou say "No-one does". Well, her husband is reportedly "seething" with the presenters and the hospital management, and I venture to suggest that having read her suicide note, he may have a fairly good idea =#FF0000:3fub7rje FA page 13:3fub7rje'" :3fub7rje so now you are saying lets wait for the inquest to know the facts but 12 pages ago you were saying that because of selective quotes from the family you knew enough I was not the one apportioning blame until facts came out. You were all for the judge , jury and executioner before we knew anything. Quote :3fub7rjeFunny how that was [i:3fub7rjeyour[/i:3fub7rje claimed position, but now you suddenly seem to know all the facts.'" :3fub7rje NO i dont know all the facts but i was not demanding heads should role before we knew anything. I still think there is more to come out in the wash particularly the role of hospital management. When we know that maybe then we should talk about who should lose their jobs. Yet you knew who should be sacked on page 11 Quote :3fub7rjeI've a plan for you, liar, either post where I said any such thing, or else apologise for lying.'" I wont accuse you of being a liar as it is clear you are deluded. Keep taking the tablets and see your therapist. Then you will not accuse others who have tried to say let's wait for the facts to emerge before we decide where all the blame lies and what consequences are appropriate for those involved.

I hope Kate had a good christmas

I hope she ate something then her body might be able to cope better with a pregnancy

Quote ="Durham Giant". Until the inquest states it was suicide it is only an apparent suicide. You are the one who now talks about waiting for the inquest well that is what the inquest does.'" Everyone knows the poor woman committed suicide. Everyone knew from the moment we learned she had hanged herself in her room, (except those who darkly hinted it was "very convenient" for the hospital, or those who said "was it even suicide). Quote ="Durham Giant"... the evidence we have seen shows that this was a woman who had Mental Health problems ...'" In my opinion people who have or previously had any mental or physical health issues have the same right to life as the fit and well. I see she had gone well down in your estimation due to her "mental health problems" and you have excused the whole mess by basically saying she could have topped herself at any moment so the prank made no real odds. I find that standpoint pretty obscene, so let's leave it at that. Quote ="Durham Giant"...www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... tempt.html But you know this but still try to put the blame on the prank as being the cause of it all. '" For the last time, I do NOT blame the PRANK as being the cause of it all, and why you keep lying that I do is a mystery. For the last time, I have 100% clearly said I place the lion's share of the blame of the radio station who should never have run with the story, they chose to do so after presumably considered deliberation, and it is them who I mainly blame, for the worldwide media shiitstorm that this terrible decision created. If you are going to comment on my opinions, could you at least not lie about what they are? Quote ="Durham Giant"..Do You think that the information we have on her recent medical history suggests she had significant mental health problems at the begining of the year ...'" I don't have ANY information on her recent medical history and neither do you. If you mean the reports that she had been treated for depression and had recently finished that treatment, if those are accurate then it would seem to me that health professionals likely decided that she was in reasonable health. But what would a psychiatrist and the doctors who treated her know, eh? Shame they didn't just ask you, you could have told them that far from being well, she was on the edge and anything could have tipped her over it. I don't know how you know this, but maybe they should sack the mental health professionals and just ring you for an opinion, eh? Quote ="Durham Giant".and that all those problems had suddenly vanished 11 months later and that only the prank made her ill again. '" More disingenuous. mocking crap. The only reports there have been seem to suggest that she had been very well cared for since the reported incident apparently 11 months ago, and that she had only quite recently completed anti-depressant treatment. Knowing all this, you still make the silly statement about "all those problems suddenly vanishing". On such information as has come out, I think she had been well treated and finished a reasonably lengthy course of treatment. and was doing a responsible job, reportedly very well. Quote ="Durham Giant"My conspiracy theory was that there is more to come out in the wash ...'" No, it was "was it even suicide." Quote ="Durham Giant"so now you are saying lets wait for the inquest to know the facts '" No I am not saying "let's wait for the inquest". Agreeing the rather obvious statement that the full facts will only come out at inquest does not operate as a bar to discussing what information is already in the public domain. Quote ="Durham Giant"....I still think there is more to come out in the wash particularly the role of hospital management. '" I have already said repeatedly that whilst we don't know anything directly about the role of hospital management, we do know the family has been critical of it, and we do know one of the notes left was devoted to the hospital's role. As we know nothing else, and as she took the trouble to write a note about the hospital management prior to killing herself, that is with respect not a great insight. Quote ="Durham Giant"... When we know that maybe then we should talk about who should lose their jobs. Yet you knew who should be sacked on page 11 '" I think what the radio station did was unacceptable and they should face the consequences. If they have also committed criminal offences then i think they should be prosecuted. I think the decision to broadcast their tape was such a bad error of judgment that it does put in question the fitness of whoever took the decision to continue in their roles. '" Quote ="Durham Giant"... I wont accuse you of being a liar as it is clear you are deluded. Keep taking the tablets and see your therapist. '" I would invite you to unconditionally withdraw that. There's no need for it.

Quote ="Durham Giant". Until the inquest states it was suicide it is only an apparent suicide. You are the one who now talks about waiting for the inquest well that is what the inquest does.'" Everyone knows the poor woman committed suicide. Everyone knew from the moment we learned she had hanged herself in her room, (except those who darkly hinted it was "very convenient" for the hospital, or those who said "was it even suicide). Quote ="Durham Giant"... the evidence we have seen shows that this was a woman who had Mental Health problems ...'" In my opinion people who have or previously had any mental or physical health issues have the same right to life as the fit and well. I see she had gone well down in your estimation due to her "mental health problems" and you have excused the whole mess by basically saying she could have topped herself at any moment so the prank made no real odds. I find that standpoint pretty obscene, so let's leave it at that. Quote ="Durham Giant"...www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... tempt.html But you know this but still try to put the blame on the prank as being the cause of it all. '" For the last time, I do NOT blame the PRANK as being the cause of it all, and why you keep lying that I do is a mystery. For the last time, I have 100% clearly said I place the lion's share of the blame of the radio station who should never have run with the story, they chose to do so after presumably considered deliberation, and it is them who I mainly blame, for the worldwide media shiitstorm that this terrible decision created. If you are going to comment on my opinions, could you at least not lie about what they are? Quote ="Durham Giant"..Do You think that the information we have on her recent medical history suggests she had significant mental health problems at the begining of the year ...'" I don't have ANY information on her recent medical history and neither do you. If you mean the reports that she had been treated for depression and had recently finished that treatment, if those are accurate then it would seem to me that health professionals likely decided that she was in reasonable health. But what would a psychiatrist and the doctors who treated her know, eh? Shame they didn't just ask you, you could have told them that far from being well, she was on the edge and anything could have tipped her over it. I don't know how you know this, but maybe they should sack the mental health professionals and just ring you for an opinion, eh? Quote ="Durham Giant".and that all those problems had suddenly vanished 11 months later and that only the prank made her ill again. '" More disingenuous. mocking crap. The only reports there have been seem to suggest that she had been very well cared for since the reported incident apparently 11 months ago, and that she had only quite recently completed anti-depressant treatment. Knowing all this, you still make the silly statement about "all those problems suddenly vanishing". On such information as has come out, I think she had been well treated and finished a reasonably lengthy course of treatment. and was doing a responsible job, reportedly very well. Quote ="Durham Giant"My conspiracy theory was that there is more to come out in the wash ...'" No, it was "was it even suicide." Quote ="Durham Giant"so now you are saying lets wait for the inquest to know the facts '" No I am not saying "let's wait for the inquest". Agreeing the rather obvious statement that the full facts will only come out at inquest does not operate as a bar to discussing what information is already in the public domain. Quote ="Durham Giant"....I still think there is more to come out in the wash particularly the role of hospital management. '" I have already said repeatedly that whilst we don't know anything directly about the role of hospital management, we do know the family has been critical of it, and we do know one of the notes left was devoted to the hospital's role. As we know nothing else, and as she took the trouble to write a note about the hospital management prior to killing herself, that is with respect not a great insight. Quote ="Durham Giant"... When we know that maybe then we should talk about who should lose their jobs. Yet you knew who should be sacked on page 11 '" I think what the radio station did was unacceptable and they should face the consequences. If they have also committed criminal offences then i think they should be prosecuted. I think the decision to broadcast their tape was such a bad error of judgment that it does put in question the fitness of whoever took the decision to continue in their roles. '" Quote ="Durham Giant"... I wont accuse you of being a liar as it is clear you are deluded. Keep taking the tablets and see your therapist. '" I would invite you to unconditionally withdraw that. There's no need for it.

That last line - you are having a laugh - you need to go back and read this thread, people in glass houses!! Smacks of a bully having his backside handed to him.

If anyone is to blame - and I am not sure anyone is, this is just a very tragic set of circumstances - it is the hospital they should never have left this vulnerable woman in this predicament. Given the fees they will charging they could easily afford to employ the correct calibre of people in the correct positions.

Stevie Wonder can see the lady had significant mental issues - to suggest that anyone who says so is trying to be psychiatrist is trite and smacks of desperation. If you believe Maslow survival is our in built basic instinct - attempting suicide isn't an action of an in control adult.

Nonsense, if she starts to look out of shape she might get bumped orf

A couple of lettuce leaves then probably spewed them up in the tradition of her husbands late mother.

Ferocious Aardvark

The coroner will decide if it was suicide ie deliberate or possibly a call for help that went wrong. Many cases look like suicide but are not determined as such until the[size=150 coroner makes the finding[/size.







No they may well have decided that she no longer posed a risk to herself or others ( and often get it wrong. It is not a precise science). It is very unlikely she was well.




How THICK are you are yopu really saying that she was well was absolutely fine and then two Djs made a phone call and the management of the radio station publicised it and she just killed herself. Go give your head a shake man.

A person who makes TWO serious attempts at Suicide and is admitted to a psychiatric unit is unlikely to just get over the problems in 11 months. Next you will be telling us that binge drinkers who dont drink for 11 months are cured of their addiction.


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No lets not wait for the inquest you have made your mind up sack the DJs blame the producers




I am not claiming to make an insight i have just said let's wait until we know all the facts before we start the hangings and floggings and join in with the mass hysteria of those who blamed the DJs and sent them death threats.



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Just out of curiosity did you send a death threat as well or did you just save your threats for the station management

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Now now ferocious wipe have a i touched a nerve you start the insults and throw them around at anyone . You stop insulting others and they might not insult you

That's good. To sum up, you say that "IF" anyone is to blame, (so you think nobody may have done anything amiss) then it is [ithe hospital[/i, who should have realised that if they let her work on the reception phone, a prank call might come in, she would be duped, she might be grievously distressed by the media shiitstorm etc that she might kill herself.

But the radio station who actually broadcast the tape are entitled to assume that any person taking a call in a hospital has been tested and cleared as being of sufficient fortitude to be able to brush off being at the centre of a worldwide humiliation.

Well, there is always that to consider.


It must just be me then. Oh, by the way, just out of interest, as I've clearly missed it somewhere, where is your evidence that prior to this incident, she "had significant mental issues"? You know, in the first week of December 2012? I.e., about the relevant time? I am equally not saying she did not - I equally as you DON'T KNOW if she did, or if she didn't. I have not seen a single report of a single person suggesting that she did.

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Indeed he will, but on the face of it a person who writes detailed suicide notes, funeral instructions etc and then hangs themselves, in a location where seemingly they are unlikely to expect any callers, did intend to die. However, whether it was a suicide, or a cry for help, the suicide notes seem to have directly pointed to the cause of her actions, so do you think it makes much difference? Had she been revived, and survived, then to me while the consequences would obviously be much less grave, the crass decision of the radio station's decision to use the material would be no less reprehensible.

What is funny about your posts, though, is that here you are, telling me that it might not be suicide, but a call for help that went wrong, and then (in big letters) the coroner makes the finding, yet in your last diatribe you insisted that the nurse had tried to commit suicide twice in the last year, based on nothing more than a third hand account reported in a newspaper! So I wonder how you are so sure of that, yet on all the evidence we have here seen, you are criticising me for not waiting for the coroner to rule? Not double standards, shurely?


Had she also stopped beating her husband? What an odd phrase to choose. Do you have some evidence that she [ihad[/i posed a risk to herself or to others, then? Are you suggesting she had been sectioned? Or what? What do you know? Or is this just more in your catalogue of inventions?

For my part, I'd suggest that those treating her at the place of the reported incidents a year ago would have been the ones who decided she was well enough to be discharged. As far as her life in this country over the past year is concerned, the only reports I have seen suggest that she was being treated for depression. I haven't read a word about her "being a rsik to herself or others". What do you know?


Why?


I know she suffered from depression. I get quite depressed reading your garbage. Hundreds of millions do (even the ones who don't have to read your posts) . I have heard it said that everyone suffers from depression, the only difference is in the degree, and I personally go along with that. Anyone can get depressed, and there are different kinds of depression. In overall terms, though, I have not seen a single report to suggest that anyone thought she was ill, or unwell, or any such thing. What do you know?

The basic mistake you seem to be making is to believe that a person who commits suicide MUST previously have been mentally ill. I don't think you will find any evidence in the world to back you up so I'd give that one up. Something like 20% of the million or so who do commit suicide in any given year apparently showed no previous signs of being unwell.


WHOOPS! Your double-standards are showing again!

In any case, on the very limited information we have, I doubt these were suicide attempts, I think they were cries for help. An overdose of pills and telling others you have done it is a pretty classic cry for help- enquire at any hospital A&E. The "jumping off a building" report seems more likely to be similar, since if you really wanted to die, it wouldn't be hard to find a structure high enough to be 100% sure of achieving your aim.


Oh come on, the sketchy reports say she was only in hopsital, including the psychiatric ward, for 3 days total. It's hardly Hannibal Lecter.


What problems? She'd got over her previous 45 years of "problems" to be married, with kids, in a responsible job; why are you so keen to write off such a plainly good and valuable member of the community as a lost cause?


Yes, that would be certainly true. If they were alcoholics, OTOH, it would not be true. But binge drinking is not a disease, it's a lifestyle choice. Alcoholics are not necessarily bing drinkers, and binge drinkers certainly are not at all necessarily alcoholics. The "addiction" would be a descriptive one. You can't get a physical addiction to binge drinking. Whereas you can get a physical addiction to alcohol.

HTH. Want to try another one?
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No, I haven't. I've given my opinions, based on the information as it has come out. TBF my opinion hasn't changed.


I disagree


No, blame the management of the radio station that took the decision to broadcast.


You please yourself, I will never be joining in with those people, I have always said the lion's share of the blame is with the radio station decision makers. A fact which you ignore every time you respond, for some odd reason.


Lying again, you well know I have not issued anything resembling a threat to them, nor, obviously, would I. The proper processes as to licencing and any criminal investigations will no doubt take their due course.


I see what you did there. It is something you should have grown out of at about age 11, but as i have said, we all have our mental issues to deal with, to some extent or other.




You're clearly trying very hard to, so I'm sad to say, not at all.

If you haven't reflected on your choice of phrases, and so aren't going to apologise, that says enough for me. Well done!


There is a big difference though between satire and ridicule one the one hand and vulgar abuse on the other. But if the best your particular brain can come up with is "Now now ferocious wipe" then I should at least give you credit for trying your hardest, I suppose.

How very droll FA. You merrily throw out accusations of double standards, whilst apparently using those self same third hand newspaper reports as "evidence" for your own demented views! As seen in the paragraph below....




You knew she suffered from depression? Really? And how did you arrive a such a conclusion?
You have heard it said that everyone suffers from depression? And who exactly was this person who said this. Was it in confidence by your own psychiatrist, or perhaps some tittle tattle overheard in a bar? I feel we should be told. No, really.




Really? Two minutes on T'internet would have shown you [url=http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-244X/4/37THIS[/url And from the amount of selective copying and pasting you do from Wikipedia, I suspect you spend a lot of time on said internet.

WHOOPS! Your double-standards are showing again!




They may well have been just that, however the clinical preparations of her 3rd and final attempt would suggest she fully intended to kill herself this time, would it not?

HTH. Want to try another one?

Epic fail. I am replying to a poster who is basing his argument on the premise that Mrs. Saldanha was mentally ill and “on the edge”, when there is no evidence of this.

Since the ONLY evidence any of us has to go on is whatever is reported in the media, it’s entirely reasonable to base opinion on what has been reported. Or, if it isn’t, why have you repeatedly done so yourself?



Because it has been widely reported and is clearly in the public domain. I know that as you like conspiracies, so you might think this information is misinformation planted by the hospital, or the government or something but I’m taking it at face value personally, because I am able to analyse and weigh up any reports I read and attach an appropriate level of weight to their credibility. The reports that have emerged make it a reasonable belief.

Do you think they are all lies?


Do you doubt it? Have you not ever been depressed? Do you know anyone who hasn’t? The Depression Alliance did a survey where three-quarters of people surveyed openly admitted to suffering from depression. I don’t realy think there’s much controversial. Either everyone suffers from depression, or the very substantial majority do.

Do you disagree?


Which “own psychiatrist” do you mean? You wouldn't be imagining or inventing things again by any chance would you?


I’ve never cut and pasted from Wikipedia but if inventing lies makes you feel better the please feel free.

If there is anything in the page you linked to that you think is relevant or contradicts what I said then perhaps you’d point it out.


Well yes. Which is why that’s precisely the point that I made about it. Or did you miss that too, in you haste to try to be clever instead of answering the points made?

And yet the quote you use about being on the edge is in your head as i have not used those words.

What other things are going on in your head. You tell posters they cannot rely on the press, then you use information in the press, you criticise posters who comment on her likely Mental health but then you say she was depressed.

All of this is quite normal in a discussion and a debate BUT the crux of the matter is , [size=150that you were arguing heads should roll whilst others said lets wait until we have the facts before being the judge jury and executioner.
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Your tendons in your knee jerked so fast you dug a hole for yourself and are still digging whilst still in the hole.

So between the voices in your head and the knee jerk reactions get yourself to the doctors quick.

Wouldn't you love to be stood between these two in a bar somewhere ?

No neither would I.

We do appear to be going round in a circular direction.
I'm getting a bit dizzy.



Soon be New Year.