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that's true enough young man
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| [url=http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/2012/02/exposed-cameron-covers-up-nhs-hospital.htmlWhat really happened on Cameron's visit to the Newcastle RVI on Thursday?[/url
[url=http://eoin-clarke.blogspot.com/2012/02/we-can-now-reveal-what-really-happened.htmlThere's more[/url
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| [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17083357Running scared Cameron?[/url
Calling an emergency summit on pushing through the bill and not inviting any colleges that have been critical?
You sad, sad, gutless, windy little coward
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| [url=http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.com/2012/02/nhs-privatisation-compilation-of.htmlA list of MPs and members of HoL with vested interests in seeing through the Healthcare Bill[/url
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| Quote ="cod'ead"[url=http://socialinvestigations.blogspot.com/2012/02/nhs-privatisation-compilation-of.htmlA list of MPs and members of HoL with vested interests in seeing through the Healthcare Bill[/url'"
There is an argument (which I would agree with) that states that MP's should have some work experience in "the real world" before entering parliament and that being "advisors" or even "non-executive directors" of operating businesses gives them that experience.
On the other hand there is something just very wrong about asking someone to make an impartial decision on something so important as reorganising a nations health, when that person has an absolute and unarguable vested interest in making the decision sway in one particular direction.
Its wrong, and its right that the media are starting to draw attention to this.
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You sad, sad, gutless, windy little coward'"
I laughed, not sure out of hilarity or despair.
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newsthump.com/2012/02/20/cameron ... olby-city/
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After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP"
This is to try and get the Risk Report published.
The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public.
What utter bollox.
Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report
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After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP"
This is to try and get the Risk Report published.
The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public.
What utter bollox.
Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report
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Quote ="El Barbudo"After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP"
This is to try and get the Risk Report published.
The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public.
What utter bollox.
Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report'"
Not much point in writing to mine, he's already made his feelings known in a letter to Simon Faull:
[iMr Simon Faull
Our Ref: CN/NHSDate: 16 February 2012
Dear Mr Faull,
Thank you for your email of 14th February. I’m afraid there is a great deal of confusion about what the “NHS risk register” is, some of it unfortunately engendered deliberately by lobbying organisations. Risk registers are standardly produced internal management documents within government departments, and are not released, partly because they may contain commercially sensitive information, and partly because they enable civil servants to discuss with ministers worst-case examples and necessary steps to mitigate them. In this respect, the one produced by the Department of Health is no different to any other, despite attempts to portray it as something both sinister and damning. There is a very strong argument that internal discussions in the process of policy formation should not be open to scrutiny, because it would prevent frank exchanges with the civil service which are necessary if policy is to be effectively produced. This is recognised in Freedom of Information legislation.
In this instance much of the information is in any case available in full in the impact assessment documents which accompanied publication of the current legislation, and in addition in a specific statement made to the House of Lords by the Health Minister.
I also note the hypocritical position of a shadow Secretary of State demanding the publication of a document which he personally prevented being revealed when in government. The vote next week can therefore, I’m afraid, only be considered shallow opportunism on the part of the opposition.
Yours sincerely,
David Heath CBE MP[/i
Mind you, the fat 2@ isn't going to know what's hit him, then next time he comes around pimping for votes
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Quote ="El Barbudo"After the success of the petition last week, 38 degrees are now doing "letters to your MP"
This is to try and get the Risk Report published.
The Risk Report is one drawn up by civil servants about the risks and issues in the NHS reforms... so far, it has not been made public. Lansley says that's because it's supposed to be confidential and people might be wary of expressing opinions in future reports if they knew they were going to be made public.
What utter bollox.
Anyway, if you want to join in and let your MP know what you think, this link virtually does it for you --> https://secure.38degrees.org.uk/nhs-risk-report'"
Not much point in writing to mine, he's already made his feelings known in a letter to Simon Faull:
[iMr Simon Faull
Our Ref: CN/NHSDate: 16 February 2012
Dear Mr Faull,
Thank you for your email of 14th February. I’m afraid there is a great deal of confusion about what the “NHS risk register” is, some of it unfortunately engendered deliberately by lobbying organisations. Risk registers are standardly produced internal management documents within government departments, and are not released, partly because they may contain commercially sensitive information, and partly because they enable civil servants to discuss with ministers worst-case examples and necessary steps to mitigate them. In this respect, the one produced by the Department of Health is no different to any other, despite attempts to portray it as something both sinister and damning. There is a very strong argument that internal discussions in the process of policy formation should not be open to scrutiny, because it would prevent frank exchanges with the civil service which are necessary if policy is to be effectively produced. This is recognised in Freedom of Information legislation.
In this instance much of the information is in any case available in full in the impact assessment documents which accompanied publication of the current legislation, and in addition in a specific statement made to the House of Lords by the Health Minister.
I also note the hypocritical position of a shadow Secretary of State demanding the publication of a document which he personally prevented being revealed when in government. The vote next week can therefore, I’m afraid, only be considered shallow opportunism on the part of the opposition.
Yours sincerely,
David Heath CBE MP[/i
Mind you, the fat 2@ isn't going to know what's hit him, then next time he comes around pimping for votes
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| I can't imagine there's any "commercially senstive information" in this one surely?
After all, it's not as though they are privatising anything are they?
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| [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/doctor-faces-disciplinary-hearing-for-daring-to-question-nhs-reforms-7282737.htmlAnd so the pressure continues[/url
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| Interesting lead article yesterday in City am. The Editor thought the government should drop the NHS reforms and sack Lansley as its a distraction from areas where they can make a difference. His view was that the the reform / no reform will make little difference either way to the NHS. He said the real issue won't go away and that the NHS will fall apart within 10 years as the country simply won't have the resources to fund it properly and tinkering about with these reforms will may no real difference to that prospect. Sadly, I fear he will be proved right.
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| Quote ="Dally"Sadly, I fear he will be proved right.'"
Based on what? Agreeing with a newspaper editor, or some other facts about something that may or may not happen in the next 10 years?
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| It's all these illegal immigrants getting benefits and carers with expense accounts that's the problem. That's why the NHS will fall apart in the real world.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Based on what? Agreeing with a newspaper editor, or some other facts about something that may or may not happen in the next 10 years?'"
Based on the fact that our country's share of world wealth and thereby real income is almost certain to decline significantly over that time period and over that time scale demand will increase dramatically as the ageing baby-boomers need care.
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| Quote ="Dally"Based on the fact that our country's share of world wealth and thereby real income is almost certain to decline significantly over that time period and over that time scale demand will increase dramatically as the ageing baby-boomers need care.'"
There is a method that can be employed to mitigate any potential future funding crisis in the NHS, it has been in use since 1799. It's called income tax (subsequently replaced with Corporation Tax for companies). Tax people and corporations accordingly and there would be no shortfall.
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| Quote ="Dally"Interesting lead article yesterday in City am. The Editor thought the government should drop the NHS reforms and sack Lansley as its a distraction from areas where they can make a difference. His view was that the the reform / no reform will make little difference either way to the NHS. He said the real issue won't go away and that the NHS will fall apart within 10 years as the country simply won't have the resources to fund it properly and tinkering about with these reforms will may no real difference to that prospect. Sadly, I fear he will be proved right.'"
The important point that people need to understand is contrary to Tory spin the decline of the NHS is [inot fixed in stone[/i. It is being carefully managed by people in line with a wider ideological agenda. Under different leadership it could be made viable.
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| Quote ="Dally"Based on the fact that our country's share of world wealth and thereby real income [uis almost certain[/u to decline significantly over that time period and over that time scale demand will increase dramatically as the ageing baby-boomers need care.'"
Ah! the economist's guesstimate.
So no real evidence then?
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| Quote ="Chris28"Ah! the economist's guesstimate.
So no real evidence then?'"
I think we have a well-established history of relative decline since the US overtook as as the world's richest country at the turn of the 20th Century. Certain emerging economies are likely to leave not just us but the US way behind. As to the ageing population, unless war, disease or famine wipes millions out then that's cast-iron.
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| Quote ="Dally"I think we have a well-established history of relative decline since the US overtook as as the world's richest country at the turn of the 20th Century. Certain emerging economies are likely to leave not just us but the US way behind. As to the ageing population, unless war, disease or famine wipes millions out then that's cast-iron.'"
Natural (and un-natural via beefburgers) dementia and a total lack of any income in future will rid the country of the scourge of scrounging pensioners, its the natural order of things.
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| It'll be ok. Once the PM reads Dally's viral email and stops paying illegal immigrants £30k a year there'll be loads of money for everyone.
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In Croatia someone has published a website, that has become quite popular, that equates the national economy to a household position (ie numbers and concepts people can understand readily). So, in its simplest it might say the natiional position is equivalent to, say:
Household annual income £13,500
Household expenditure £15,000
Shortfall added to credit card £1,500
Credit card total debt £18,000
The figures correspond to national revenues, expenditure, deficit and debt and relate directly and are updated. Apparently, the public can play about with policy assumptions / tough choices and learn how hard it is to get the deficit and debt figures down. Most people after having a go become fiscal conservatives. We need an academic to do this in this country so the public can make informed choices about the NHS and other government expenditure and the tax, etc ramifications of those choices.
For those who understand Balkan languages:
proracunskikalkulator.com
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In Croatia someone has published a website, that has become quite popular, that equates the national economy to a household position (ie numbers and concepts people can understand readily). So, in its simplest it might say the natiional position is equivalent to, say:
Household annual income £13,500
Household expenditure £15,000
Shortfall added to credit card £1,500
Credit card total debt £18,000
The figures correspond to national revenues, expenditure, deficit and debt and relate directly and are updated. Apparently, the public can play about with policy assumptions / tough choices and learn how hard it is to get the deficit and debt figures down. Most people after having a go become fiscal conservatives. We need an academic to do this in this country so the public can make informed choices about the NHS and other government expenditure and the tax, etc ramifications of those choices.
For those who understand Balkan languages:
proracunskikalkulator.com
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Quote ="Dally" We need an academic to do this in this country so the public can make informed choices about the NHS and other government expenditure and the tax, etc ramifications of those choices.
For those who understand Balkan languages:
proracunskikalkulator.com'"
The problem with that is the "informed choices" will probably not be as informed as you would like. As McLF pointed out in a previous post, many would choose not to pay tax to fund healthcare because they don't consider themselves in need of it
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Quote ="Dally" We need an academic to do this in this country so the public can make informed choices about the NHS and other government expenditure and the tax, etc ramifications of those choices.
For those who understand Balkan languages:
proracunskikalkulator.com'"
The problem with that is the "informed choices" will probably not be as informed as you would like. As McLF pointed out in a previous post, many would choose not to pay tax to fund healthcare because they don't consider themselves in need of it
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