He may have his all new cabinet singing from the same hymn sheet but, the words havent changed.
Having said that, there are murmurings from the EU that they dont think that we will go for a no deal. Therefore, it's yet another game of who blinks first.
There will be moans and groans aplenty as the deadline gets ever closer and in a cruel twist of irony, perhaps Jezza will help Boris by ensuring that "no deal" isn't possible and we can get back to the two main parties blaming each other for the impasse.

What does Boris actually want from the EU, what terms & conditions? It would be good to be clear.

My best guess is May’s deal with discussions about how to solve the Irish border conundrum moved into trade deal negotiations. Leaving my guardianista bubble for a few minutes, I watched a pro-Farage YouTube video in which this option was presented as a betrayal of Brexit and a ‘surrender’.

Johnson is being sufficiently vague and aggressive about it that I assume he’d be almost as happy with ‘no’ as he would be with the EU conceding this... as long as they take the blame of Brexit man and woman. However, the lad is often vague (had to laugh at him promising ‘interventions’ to protect Welsh farming the other day) and aggressive, so maybe he thinks he is being diplomatic?

A free trade deal and a solution to the Irish backstop, oh yeah and while he's at it, he could ask about not handing over the £39bn that we owe.

After 10+ years of austerity, it now seems that Boris has found the mystical money tree and is making promises aplenty, costing eye watering amounts of public money to try and appease the populous and "smoot" the way to a no deal Brexit, which should lay the ground nicely for the recession that we are heading towards.

Is "the promised land" really going to be any better ?

For the average member of public, the only noticeable difference will be higher prices and a possible return of duty free when travelling in Europe.

So another £2 Billion has been allocated to a no deal Brexit taking the total fund to £4.2 Billion. This was never mentioned before the vote, we were told we’d leave with a deal which would benefit the economy meaning we could fund the nhs properly.

Instead Nurses are told there is no magic money tree for their funding, schools budgets have been cut to the bone with no increase in sight, but we will spend Billions on this no deal Brexit which was never supposed to be on the table.

Parliament needs to block no deal Brexit, we need to protest in the streets of London (outside London would go unnoticed). Alexander Boris De Pleffel Johnson has no right to force through a no deal Brexit, this was not voted for in the referendum.

I would wager the vast majority of the population don't know what May's deal is/was.

Another question; what have the EU done/not done re Brexit to be called bullies?

We haven't left the EU yet so we are still paying them last time I looked. The country didn't vote remain either but I guess that's your preferred option.
I don't think Johnson wants to leave with no deal but has to keep the option or the EU will walk all over him like May.

Quote ="wotsupcas"We haven't left the EU yet so we are still paying them last time I looked. The country didn't vote remain either but I guess that's your preferred option. I don't think Johnson wants to leave with no deal but has to keep the option or the EU will walk all over him like May.'" Why do you think the EU walked all over May? This slide shows how her red lines weren’t aligned with a closer relationship. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/b ... 2-2017.pdf The divorce bill largely covered the transition period. I’ll admit there is a case for discussing the Irish border in the next (more difficult, heaven help us) phase. But the underlying problem is not of the EU’s making and the alternatives all create major difficulties too.

Quote ="wotsupcas"We haven't left the EU yet so we are still paying them last time I looked. The country didn't vote remain either but I guess that's your preferred option. I don't think Johnson wants to leave with no deal but has to keep the option or the EU will walk all over him like May.'" Why do you think the EU walked all over May? This slide shows how her red lines weren’t aligned with a closer relationship. https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/b ... 2-2017.pdf The divorce bill largely covered the transition period. I’ll admit there is a case for discussing the Irish border in the next (more difficult, heaven help us) phase. But the underlying problem is not of the EU’s making and the alternatives all create major difficulties too.

That is a really poor argument, really poor.
The politicians that you and I elected have failed to negotiate a deal that will satisfy Parliament (or most of the UK population).
Therefore we remain in the EU and have to contribute accordingly, it's not difficult to work out and yes, until we sort out a way to leave, this will continue.
There is little doubt that as a net contributor, the EU would like us to remain as long as possible but, our continued presence is down to our MP's and Parliament and of course, Mrs Mays ability to negotiate a sensible deal.
It remains to be seen how Blustering Boris Johnson, throwing promises and cash around in equal measure, will get us out "do or die".

Certainly the Irish issue hasn't gone away but, perhaps he found a solution to this next to his money tree.

He's still on political honeymoon at present but, it wont be too long before reality starts to bite (for all of us).

I don't think it was a poor point. The poster I was replying to was wanting to know why the money promised to the NHS in the brexit campaign hadn't materialised yet. I was just pointing out we were still in the EU and as far as I know still paying them. How much it will get when/if we do leave is a debate for another day.

With the likely impact of leaving with no deal and just how close we already are to recession, we could be looking at yet more austerity, although the Tories wont mind cutting help for "scroungers and wasters"


The blind hope (stupidity) of the Tory elite is extremely worrying.
Time after time, they ignore the wisdom of the Governor of the Bank of England and other "well thought of economists and push ever harder for a no deal exit.
Fortunately, it appears that Boris may not have a working majority for much longer and hopefully a vote of no confidence can save us and although the aftermath, with the mother of all hung parliaments will be messy, it will still be more preferable than crashing and burning.

You forget that the people of this country have had enough of experts.

Yes those pesky experts, specialising in their given field, they’ve had enough of them. I’m sure those people would be perfectly happy with an untrained novice as the pilot on a plane they fly on or as the surgeon operating on them.

Michael Gove could fly a fighter jet whilst carrying out a heart transplant. Simples.

I'm sorry guys but Google" IMF get it wrong again" and you'll see why so many people take what these "experts" say with a huge pinch of salt. Some of them, I am convinced, are working to their own agenda.

Only some of them, jeez, they're all at it!

Even when we leave the E.U. and as forecast everything turns to dust, instead of "Project Fear" all we will hear then is "It's only short term pain, for long term gain".

The pound has already tanked & will drop further, all imports will cost even more, but hey, at least Dyson & Co will still have strong trading figures.

But at least the public gets what the public wants, or so they think.

It's just a shame that all those who voted for this debacle should have had a letter B drawn on their arm with indelible ink, just so they can't deny it in the future (I'm a bit of a hardliner)

“ But at least the public gets what the public wants,“

Obviously not . The majority voted leave . .....The UK Government ignored that majority .

The Country protests . So NO the public of the UK didn’t get what they wanted ....

Dyson moved to Singapore for tax reasons period ..

Not true 17 million voted leave out of 66 million.
49 million did not vote leave.

But by your logic even less voted to stay!

Womder of he'd apply the samelogic to Trade Union votes.

Yes they have and in some cases, with good reason.
However, The governor of the Bank of England, is as close to impartial as we have and although economists do frequently get things wrong, i'll take his forecast above all of the political commentators, many of whom have their own agenda.
If Mark Carney tells us that a no deal Brexit will lead to an economic shock, we would be wise to take note, especially when the voices disputing this are doing so for political reasons.

Sorry to be repetitive but just Google Mark Carney gets it wrong. Plenty of bed time reading there! Don't just slavishly accept as gospel anything that is anti Brexit.... Most of it is bs

The former US treasury secretary Larry Summers has said he does not believe that a “desperate” UK would manage to secure a post-Brexit trade deal with Washington, as Dominic Raab, the new foreign secretary, heads to the US to scope out the potential for such an agreement.

Summers, who was a senior official under Bill Clinton and Barack Obama, said the UK was in a weak position when it came to negotiating with trade partners.

He told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Tuesday: “Britain has no leverage, Britain is desperate … it needs an agreement very soon. When you have a desperate partner, that’s when you strike the hardest bargain.”


Despite warm words from Donald Trump about a trade deal, Summers said: “We have economic conflict with China and, even on top of that, the deterioration of the pound is going to further complicate the negotiating picture.

“We will see it as giving Britain an artificial comparative advantage and make us think about the need to retaliate against Britain, not to welcome Britain with new trade agreements.”

Even if the two countries could come to an agreement, Summers said, the UK was in a weak negotiating position.

“Britain has much less to give than Europe as a whole did, therefore less reason for the United States to make concessions,” he said. “You make more concessions dealing with a wealthy man than you do dealing with a poor man.”



What this prat doesn't realise is that us Brits have pluckiness. And optimism. Pluckiness in spades & optimism in buckets. We didn't get an Empire, win 2 World Wars & a World Cup without pluckiness. And optimism.

Come on, what about the pro Brexit stuff.
EVERY aspect of Brexit has been a wish list.
Apart from having autonomy over our law making (although we will still have to comply with the rules and regs for all goods and services supplied to countries within the EU), EVERTYTHING else is pure fiction.
So desperate are we to seal a trade deal with Trump, that we will be lucky to come out of those negotiations still wearing any clothes.
For all that I despise Trump, the one thing that he is pretty good at, is negotiating and when you know that the other party is desperate, you can screw them over - big time.
Remember, we're not out yet and if you want a measure of the worlds confidence in the UK, just take a peek at the value of the pound and baring in mind that the UK runs a huge trade deficit, this leads directly to inflation.
Our economy is already close to flat lining and the clowns in Downing Street are wanting to leave with "no deal", something that even they acknowledge will cause an economic shock.
Also, IF Carney is so bad, why would he still be at the helm of the Bank of England ??