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| Quote ="Bluesky"No. Unleaded petrol typically carries an R12 risk phrase and is considered to be an extremely flammable liquid, which is capable of forming a potentially explosive atmosphere on release. Should the release be ignited it may lead to an explosion.
Explosive liquids are something entirely different.
Not having a pop just trying to discourage scaremongering
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You are correct but it's also worth pointing out the Hazchem card for gasoline.
For the uninitiated, the "E" stands for evacuate. So if you see any vehicle, in a problem situation (accidsent etc), displaying an "E" on it's Hazchem plate, get the fook out of there
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Mock all you want, your only contribution to this was whinging about house prices in London. Kind of like weighing into a discussion on the price of vegetables with a complaint about working conditions for Apple workers in Bangalore...'"
Once you start talking about 'economic realities', then that includes all the things that I – and others – have mentioned.
You cannot suddenly pretend that you can pick and choose what those 'economic realities' are. Those economic realities – the idea that YOU raised – includes the constant attack on ordinary people via the cost of living by big businesses that, frankly, couldn't give a e about anything beyond the bank balances of their own head honchos.
If they can make even more profit by screwing some plebs, then who the eff cares? You clearly don't – or at least you don't think there's any alternative.
But you don't need to be embarrassed if you think like this – it's the current orthodoxy that the majority don't matter and it's only the minority that does. That's the 'economic reality' – and heaven help us when anyone dares to object to their profit-making employer trying to slash their wages and their terms and conditions, and health and safety.
And you will personally do your bit to help those companies by pointing out that not meekly doing what they want is ignoring 'economic reality' and, when anyone points out that 'economic reality' is about a hell of a lot more than just companies increasing profits, you'll try to pretend that a greater picture suddenly doesn't matter.
BTW – how are those forelock-tugging lessons going?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"A lowering of the tax rate for the highest earners (Who STILL pay SIGNIFICANTLY more of their income in taxes than everyone else) is a GOVERNMENT move. These workers having changes made to their employment conditions is a move by a PRIVATE COMPANY.'"
I burst out laughing when I read this.
I will try and make it simple as that is clearly required here. You seem to think that because the government made rich people richer, less well off people, who are in fact seemingly very vital to the economy and the company(ies) that employs them, should accept poorer terms and conditions because it was a private company that decided that was a good idea.
I am not sure I dare ask but why the f c u k does that follow?
I think I know your answer already anyway. If the tanker drivers got what they wanted the companies would not be able to be "competitive". All I can say to that is . They have a captive market as do apparently bankers who we have to pay 6 and 7 figure salaries to, to get them in the first place. Vital employees of Barclay's et al get £100K and above salaries. Don't you find it odd that just because tanker drivers get their hands dirty their clearly vital jobs are so undervalued in comparison?
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| Quote ="DaveO"I burst out laughing when I read this.
I will try and make it simple as that is clearly required here. You seem to think that because the government made rich people richer, less well off people, who are in fact seemingly very vital to the economy and the company(ies) that employs them, should accept poorer terms and conditions because it was a private company that decided that was a good idea.Quote
I just don't see why you are morally linking the two subjects, when they are completely seperate issues.
You are clearly a labour voting 'burn the rich' type. Why can't you see that high earners pay MORE tax as a % of their income than those on lower tax rates? Don't be so bitter about it, they've done well for themselves (Or someone else has on their behalf) and they are paying 45% tax. I pay 20%. I don't see how you can have too much of an issue with that.
But even if you do, what the hell has that got to do with private oil delivery companies changing the T&Cs of their employees. Explain that to me.
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| I don't see the problem with the rich paying 45% of their wages - as you're well aware, that isn't correct, it's only 45% above 'only' £150,000 IIRC, below that it's less - as they'll not exactly be short of a bob or two after tax anyway.
It's just plain greed.
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| Quite simply, without all the politics guff, a good %age of this "crisis" has been caused by the media.
This was a non story, early on in the week, which has been snowballed into hysteria by ALL tabloid editors, and the bosses at the Beeb/Sky/ITN.
There is no strike, non has been announced (yet), but the sheep (the "Great" British public) have been whipped into panic.
If it wasn't so pathetic, it'd be funny.
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| Quote ="lefty goldblatt"Quite simply, without all the politics guff, a good %age of this "crisis" has been caused by the media.
This was a non story, early on in the week, which has been snowballed into hysteria by ALL tabloid editors, and the bosses at the Beeb/Sky/ITN.
There is no strike, non has been announced (yet), but the sheep (the "Great" British public) have been whipped into panic.
If it wasn't so pathetic, it'd be funny.'"
Well acting on government instructions I've been out and panic bought some petrol today, couldn't find any at the first five garages I went to but Morrisons didn't let me down.
I like to think I've done my bit to keep Francis in a job...
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| Quote ="cod'ead"You are correct but it's also worth pointing out the Hazchem card for gasoline.
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For the uninitiated, the "E" stands for evacuate. So if you see any vehicle, in a problem situation (accidsent etc), displaying an "E" on it's Hazchem plate, get the fook out of there'"
Always surprised me how often you see people parked up in close proximity to a car fire on the motorway. While I applaud their willingness to stop and help out, some of them a really risking life and limb.
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| [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/9176237/Even-Im-starting-to-wonder-what-do-this-lot-know-about-anything.htmlTories believe the tanker drivers' strike was their "Thatcher moment"[/url
If that really is the message they're sending out to the constituencies, they'll be lucky to have any support left come 2015
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| [url=http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news-in-pictures/news-briefly/reader-offer-201203315080/DIY[/url
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"'"
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Stick to paper, logistics, especially the distribution of hazardous fluids, is certainly beyond your grasp'"
You are a luddite - do you honestly think this process of filling tankers and transporting them and emptying them at filling station has reached its zenith!! There isn't a process out there that cannot be improved upon.
You need to stick to fishing or whatever you do now - no wonder you decided working was a bit too much for you.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"[uYou are a luddite[/u - do you honestly think this process of filling tankers and transporting them and emptying them at filling station has reached its zenith!! There isn't a process out there that cannot be improved upon.
You need to stick to fishing or whatever you do now - no wonder you decided working was a bit too much for you.'"
I'd prefer that to being a tory-supporting, union-hating imbecile any day of the week.
You still have absolutely no idea of the logistics involved in hazardous cargo distribution but you "know" it can be improved, all at the expense of the workers performing the function.
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Oh BTW, I work to fish. Once all the expenses have been covered, I spend the rest on catching fish so that I can cook and eat them.
Plaice and turbot fishing tomorrow, I'll let you know how I get on
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"You are a luddite - do you honestly think this process of filling tankers and transporting them and emptying them at filling station has reached its zenith!! There isn't a process out there that cannot be improved upon.'"
With the benefit of your knowledge, what would you do then?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"
You still have absolutely no idea of the logistics involved in hazardous cargo distribution but you "know" it can be improved, all at the expense of the workers performing the function.'"
Now I think you're being unfair on Sal, he knows what things are like and how to improve things in the real world. I'm sure with his in-depth knowledge of the petrol haulage industry he can provide numerous examples of how the processes and functions involved can be improved. In the same way that carers could be made more efficient by restricting their expense accounts. In the real world of course.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"There isn't a process out there that cannot be improved upon.'"
Actually there are quite a few. No physical process can be improved upon infinitely, and then there's the law of diminishing returns to consider. For someone who likes to bang on about the 'real world' you seem to have a remarkably superficial grip on how things actually operate there.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Actually there are quite a few. No physical process can be improved upon infinitely, and then there's the law of diminishing returns to consider. For someone who likes to bang on about the 'real world' you seem to have a remarkably superficial grip on how things actually operate there.'"
Perhaps the way the fuel is transported could be re-thought - does it need to be transported in vehicles? you speak as if you are an expert in this field - I doubt very much you have the slightest idea of what is involved?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"I'd prefer that to being a tory-supporting, union-hating imbecile any day of the week.
You still have absolutely no idea of the logistics involved in hazardous cargo distribution but you "know" it can be improved, all at the expense of the workers performing the function.
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Oh BTW, I work to fish. Once all the expenses have been covered, I spend the rest on catching fish so that I can cook and eat them.
Plaice and turbot fishing tomorrow, I'll let you know how I get on'"
What do you actually know above moving hazardous materials in today's world? I know you think you are an expert in every single area of discussion on here - some of us are not that simple we fall for your diatribe. How long is it since you retired to the river bank?
I said no one should put in a position where they need to break the WTD or put themselves in danger. The fact the company is expecting workers to be in the position is simply laziness on their part.
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| Quote ="Chris28"With the benefit of your knowledge, what would you do then?'"
I would look for the bottlenecks in the process and apply some simple Kaisan techniques to improve matters - could I suggest the following reading - The Goal by Eliyahu Goldratt - this might change you view about process improvement and their benefits.
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| Quote ="Him"Now I think you're being unfair on Sal, he knows what things are like and how to improve things in the real world. I'm sure with his in-depth knowledge of the petrol haulage industry he can provide numerous examples of how the processes and functions involved can be improved. In the same way that carers could be made more efficient by restricting their expense accounts. In the real world of course.'"
Show me where I said carers expense accounts should be restricted - you are just a sheep tagging onto Mintball's flock - sad individual really incapable of actually constructing and argument that involves his own thought processes.
Not that long ago I worked for Wincanton guess what they do?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Quote ="Kosh"Actually there are quite a few. No physical process can be improved upon infinitely, and then there's the law of diminishing returns to consider. For someone who likes to bang on about the 'real world' you seem to have a remarkably superficial grip on how things actually operate there.'"
Perhaps the way the fuel is transported could be re-thought - does it need to be transported in vehicles? '"
No, buckets and donkeys is the way to go.
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| One thing that has come out of this Government inspired seven day petrol panic is the fact that delivering petrol to the consumer these days is done strictly in accordance with the best Japanese "Just in Time" techniques in that the stocks often held on the forecourts represent in "normal" circumstances only 24 hours worth of fuel - some busy outlets revealing last week that they have two scheduled deliveries per day.
A comment from the petrol retailers spokesperson last week revealed that the main cause of such understocking was cash flow, he quoted a figure of £50,000 for a tankful and for most retail operators its much better to spread the cost of that over several days and several deliveries especially in these days of tightened or no overdrafts and no relenting from the banks.
Now personally I'd expect a minister of government to know that before suggesting a run on the petrol stations but maybe I'm being too naive to expect him to check first ?
Well they certainly know now how much stock is available to the rest of the country should a strike emerge from the talks next week and they know now the enormity of expecting a few hundred soldiers to keep up with the demand.
Frankly, there is no answer.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Show me where I said carers expense accounts should be restricted - you are just a sheep tagging onto Mintball's flock - sad individual really incapable of actually constructing and argument that involves his own thought processes.
Not that long ago I worked for Wincanton guess what they do?'"
Stop talking Sal you're just embarrassing yourself. You happily pretend to be the font of all knowledge on various subjects mostly employment related and then are found wanting when challenged.
No you didn't say carers expense accounts should be restricted. What you were doing though was being a patronising pillock at the time by suggesting you and only you knew what things were like "in the real world". You were then shown up by your assertion that carers should use their expense accounts to get from one job to another. Displaying a clear lack of knowledge of what kind of pay and conditions the majority of carers are on.
You've done the same again here. Whilst attempting to be patronising and belittle other people you dug yourself into a hole again with pretending you knew all about this issue.
I note that your response to Chris 28's question basically boils down "I'd look at whats wrong and improve it". Thanks for that insight.
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| You would imagine that when someone changes ID on. Site like this, they'd try to improve how they were viewed, wouldn't you ...?
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