Did anyone see it last night? What a pile of dross. Such leading intellects speaking as Katie Hopkins and Lou Zissman. A wholly unrepresentative audience. Rabble who would not let each other speak. To congratulate themselves on airing a subject that the major channels steer clear of discussing but then produce such utter, utter meaningless tripe was bizarre. Edit: A review: tv.uk.msn.com/features/katie-hop ... n-row-live

Did anyone see it last night? What a pile of dross. Such leading intellects speaking as Katie Hopkins and Lou Zissman. A wholly unrepresentative audience. Rabble who would not let each other speak. To congratulate themselves on airing a subject that the major channels steer clear of discussing but then produce such utter, utter meaningless tripe was bizarre. Edit: A review: tv.uk.msn.com/features/katie-hop ... n-row-live

Looking at the list of who was on there, I'm glad I gave it a miss.

Being on Channel 5, and called the "Row", it was always going to be a car crash, given who owns C5 (the Express headline yesterday was something to do with 70% of people wanting immigration stopped). Has he ever stopped goose-stepping?

It seems that it just became a shouting match. Martin Offiah described it as a complete waste of a Monday night on Twitter. Another punter on Twitter suggested that immigrants should be gassed



Unfortunately, while this is an important issue, it is always debated with a lack of understanding, bordering on raving, by loudmouthed empty vessels. With all due respect to Martin Offiah, he's not top of my list to debate immigration in the UK, but he's certainly above some of the others in the programme. It needs a proper debate and tbh it needs some proper information to be made available so that the rantings of the uninformed can be stopped.

(And yes I do declare an interest

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Yes, the 70% anti-immigration figure was oft quoted. Unfortunately, the only indigenous people in the audience seemed to be raving nutters (political extremists) and it was left to our Katie to be the self-professed of the 70% majority! That says it all.

"Your Katie"?

You're fooking welcome to her. There are plenty of 'rent-a-gobs' around but she's the epitome of 'rent-a-gob[is[/ihite'

i was being sarcastic - not even her could be such a cliche.

I'm glad I move to Australia and missed it.

Thats a bit extreme, all you had to do was read the title of the program in the TV listings to understand very quickly what it was all about - then watch or listen to something else like I did.

TV is mainly (probably 90%) complete shoite - the trick is to tiptoe through the shoite and cherry-pick only the bits you want to watch, then listen to the radio or read a book.

Bloody immigrants... going over there, avoiding our crappy TV....

......then after feeling superior you come on here and write shoite!

I'm here to please...

Does anyone want to actually discuss immigration or just the poor quality of the program itself?

If ukip get in power and kick all the immigrants out would they have to take all the expats back?

It would appear not

Too dodgy to discuss without risking being labelled, so most folk don't bother.

Not aware UKIP want to do that. But we need immigrants, we just need to get more control over the situation.

What would you like to discuss, the rumours, untruths, newspaper gossip and lies, outright lies over immigration, or the reality ?

Personally and from the experience that I see in the workplace I think its a good thing, how about you ?

Yeah, and that's something that really frustrates me. I hate these people that, seemingly unless you want as many people piling into the country as possible, they label you xenophobic or racist.

The reality would be good.

The reality that I see (and I deal with payroll and HR) is that many businesses would struggle really hard to exist were it not for the agencies who provide European labour on short term no-commitment contracts.

Thats not to say that the employee does not have a commitment from the agency, they do most of the time, but it also often suits that labour to be flexible about the hours they work and to be able to move on at any time.

The workplace has changed dramatically over the past ten years - I recall a large plant grower towards the east of this country taking on Eastern European labour ten/twelve years ago from an agency that we did business with, that agency in turn relied on gang masters from various former soviet bloc countries who literally were like the Mafia, most of the labour they supplied were non-English speaking, record keeping was rudimentary, cash was king and eventually they didn't need us to record anything about the sites at all - that agency eventually walked away from those contracts because what was going on was blatently illegal.

It isn't like that now (thankfully).

The problem is that most stories in the written media feature very minority cases of fraud and corruption (like it used to be) and then portray that as the norm, when the truth is that eastern european labour is not cheap for the employer, but it is very flexible, which is a major requirement - when did you ever see or hear of that being emphasised in a documentary ?

An example of poor quality written media reporting - check how many immigrants there have been from Romania and Bulgaria since Jan 1st, or how many additional flights and buses have been arriving here - then look back at what was being speculated and lied about in the newspapers back in December and wonder why they haven't bothered with the story since.

Would other countries want to get control over there's and send the expats back?

And there we go...the discussion collapses before it even gets started.

You, spouting meaningless tripe like that, are part of the reason immigration can not be discussed constructively.

Other countries and how they handle British ex-pats are absolutely nothing to do with how the UK handles its immigrants.

i sincerely hope not.
we don't deserve that.

Don't we have agreements with other countries? If we changed our side of the agreement wouldn't they change theirs?

If the UK tightens immigration laws and other countries go tit-for-tat that's for them and potentially for ex-pats to worry about.

Shouldn't we discuss it with them first in case they also stopped trade? Or do we just stop everyone, apart from their highly trained people, and worry about the repercussions later?