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| The saddest thing about cooke is the wasted talant. Imagine how good he could have been if he applied himself 100%. He's a big guy, about 6'5'' I think, but isnt really built like an athlete. I've seen him with his shirt off, (all above board you understand, dont want any more rumours starting about the guy) he's just a bit flabby to be fair. If he was built like, for example, Paul Sculthorpe and had his power and fitness, with his own kicking and passing and organisation, he'd be unbelieveable. I know its all what ifs, but he has the skills for it but perhaps the side thats letting him down is his effort in training. I dont think anyone could honestly say that he couldnt get fitter and stronger, if he put some graft in.
Iv seen him throw out passes to put his winger in for a try from about 25/30m infield. When Andrew Johns did something like that it got everyone going mad about it, Cooke has the same ability, but just doesnt seem to get the chance as much at KR, maybe Dobson dominates the side too much. With a couple of good runners outside him he's deadly, but its seems at KR everything comes off Dobson. I think its obvious that Cooke needs to be the main man in his team. I dont like saying it but Cooke is a much better player than Dobson, if (its a big if though) he wants it enough. He could have played for GB/england in my opinion but only really has himslef to blame for not reaching his potential.
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| Quote ="davet"but only really has himslef to blame for not reaching his potential.'"
Hardly, he doesnt have a say in the teams make up or tactical approach as JM wont let him, if he had been given free rein and the team built around him, as at the Hull cup winning team, he would be on his way to been a Rovers great.
Unfortunately the coach decided early in the piece that this wasnt to be and decided to build his team around a reserve grade Aussie scrum half. When Cooke takes it on himself to more or less ignore this ala the derby matches, the results are there for all to see. A shame we cannot properly accomodate one of the best East Hull born players of the last twenty years. A wasted opportunity for both parties.
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| Quote ="Larry Billey"Hardly, he doesnt have a say in the teams make up or tactical approach as JM wont let him, if he had been given free rein and the team built around him, as at the Hull cup winning team, he would be on his way to been a Rovers great. Unfortunately the coach decided early in the piece that this wasnt to be and decided to build his team around a reserve grade Aussie scrum half. When Cooke takes it on himself to more or less ignore this ala the derby matches, the results are there for all to see. A shame we cannot properly accomodate one of the best East Hull born players of the last twenty years. A wasted opportunity for both parties.'"
you don't just get given that role, its something you have to earn, and obviously JM didn't think he had,
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| Quote ="davet"The saddest thing about cooke is the wasted talant. Imagine how good he could have been if he applied himself 100%. He's a big guy, about 6'5'' I think, but isnt really built like an athlete. I've seen him with his shirt off, (all above board you understand, dont want any more rumours starting about the guy) he's just a bit flabby to be fair. If he was built like, for example, Paul Sculthorpe and had his power and fitness, with his own kicking and passing and organisation, he'd be unbelieveable. I know its all what ifs, but he has the skills for it but perhaps the side thats letting him down is his effort in training. I dont think anyone could honestly say that he couldnt get fitter and stronger, if he put some graft in.
Iv seen him throw out passes to put his winger in for a try from about 25/30m infield. When Andrew Johns did something like that it got everyone going mad about it, Cooke has the same ability, but just doesnt seem to get the chance as much at KR, maybe Dobson dominates the side too much. With a couple of good runners outside him he's deadly, but its seems at KR everything comes off Dobson. I think its obvious that Cooke needs to be the main man in his team. I dont like saying it but Cooke is a much better player than Dobson, if (its a big if though) he wants it enough. He could have played for GB/england in my opinion but only really has himslef to blame for not reaching his potential.'" .
Sad but true. A spot on assessment of Cooke's career to date.
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| Because of withdrawell symptoms of no R.L.,I dug out the d.v.d of the challenge cup final at Cardiff. It actually seemed strange seeing Cooke in a black and white shirt.I will say though seeing that try again raised my spirits.Whatever the politics of Cookes defection, I have to thank him for one of those defining moments in my sporting memory,In my own opinion I dont think we have replaced him until now.In this time of goodwill I wish him luck,whatever he does on the field.
As a p.s.,it seemed strange too seeing Cooke,Briscoe and Chester in the previous games.
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| i think when cooke was at hull he was outstanding and when we signed him i really thought we'd signed a true match winner. i know he has played very good in some games and yes he has won games for us but for me nothing like he did at hull. maybe one of the reasons his carear has not hit the very top is he was singled out as a future GB player and all the rest it when just a young kid and got caught up in all his own hype im sure every SL or NRL team has the same story of one of there own players i think if you sat down with paul and he was honest with you there'd be plenty he would do diferent....all this been said im still glad he plays for my team and i will always support him and the rest of the team
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| Quote ="Uruguay"you don't just get given that role, its something you have to earn, and obviously JM didn't think he had,'"
I would have thought leading Hull to the Challenge Cup and Grand Finals would have showcased his talents to anyone, although we all know Cooke is no saint, JMs (and others) attitude towards him has been poor since the start, more fool Justin i think for letting all that East Hull, English talent go to waste, (or is that the problem??). i am sure he will come back and bite JM on the backside..
If JM was such a "supercoach", surely he would utilise Cookes talents to the full for the benefit of the team, his exclusion of him from much of the play, and hence preventing him from been fully involved and doing the things he is good at, is not Cookes fault.
All this about saving salary cap etc and the size of his contract is hypocritical to say the least when we are willing to pay an out of form for two years, bench prop forward more (with benefits..)
The plain fact is, we will not get a better Hull or English born play maker..
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| Quote ="Uruguay"you don't just get given that role, its something you have to earn, and obviously JM didn't think he had,
In Justin We trust...'"
Maybe he should pretend to be australian
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| Think Cooke has to make it a very big season cos he owes rovers for not delivering on his massive salary and also it could be his last season in a competitive side (although you could say that about every rovers player ).
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| Quote ="percy la blanc"i think when cooke was at hull he was outstanding and when we signed him i really thought we'd signed a true match winner. i know he has played very good in some games and yes he has won games for us but for me nothing like he did at hull. maybe one of the reasons his carear has not hit the very top is he was singled out as a future GB player and all the rest it when just a young kid and got caught up in all his own hype im sure every SL or NRL team has the same story of one of there own players i think if you sat down with paul and he was honest with you there'd be plenty he would do diferent....all this been said im still glad he plays for my team and i will always support him and the rest of the team'"
Now that'd be a first.
TBF I think it's more a case of his dad believing all the hype and advising his son accordingly
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Now that'd be a first.
TBF I think it's more a case of his dad believing all the hype and advising his son accordingly'"
Paul's got a mind of his own - always had - always will!
In the words of Alan Partridge "I think i'll have a pint of BITTER!"
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| Quote ="Basil Fawlty"Paul's got a mind of his own - always had - always will!
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Then he probably deserves more pity than we've been allowing him.
Either that or let him go his own way and end up being a pot-man in some back-street boozer.
He's been given enough chances by both clubs and has chosen to follow his own path, good luck to him, he'll probably need it.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Then he probably deserves more pity than we've been allowing him.
Either that or let him go his own way and end up being a pot-man in some back-street boozer.
He's been given enough chances by both clubs and has chosen to follow his own path, good luck to him, he'll probably need it.'"
Funny how a someone like Cooke who seems to have turned the corner is still villified by hull fans whereas someone like Raynor, who has had more chances than probably any other player is a looked upon as a hero and wished luck whatever he does.
Wonder why
Could it possibly be one has signed for Rovers ( in ink) on a free.
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| Quote ="Basil Fawlty"Paul's got a mind'"
Precious little evidence of that TBH.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Maybe he should pretend to be australian'"
Yeah because Briscoe, Fox,Welham,Colbon,Murrell,Cockanye,Wheeldon,Netherton etc dont get a specific role in the team either
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Yeah because Briscoe, Fox,Welham,Colbon,Murrell,Cockanye,Wheeldon,Netherton etc dont get a specific role in the team either
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"You keep telling yourself that there isn't a clique at rovers. Who knows, maybe one day others will believe you too!'"
They will be a clique at every club just like there is at every workplace its life
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Yeah because Briscoe, Fox,Welham,Colbon,Murrell,Cockanye,Wheeldon,Netherton etc dont get a specific role in the team either
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| Quote ="hkrovers"They will be a clique at every club just like there is at every workplace its life'"
Indeed.
Aussies, Tonga's, Brits, boozers, non drinkers etc etc
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| Quote ="Gavin Miller - Legend"Yeah because Briscoe, Fox,Welham,Colbon,Murrell,Cockanye,Wheeldon,Netherton etc dont get a specific role in the team either
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and Fishers only been left out since he started to play for Scotland, so it must be true.. Lets see how many times Berrigan, O'meley and Fitzgibbon get dropped next year regardless of how badly they play..
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| Quote ="Bertie"Funny how a someone like Cooke who seems to have turned the corner is still villified by hull fans whereas someone like Raynor, who has had more chances than probably any other player is a looked upon as a hero and wished luck whatever he does.
Wonder why
Could it possibly be one has signed for Rovers ( in ink) on a free.'"
I think you will find it has been admitted by some Hull fans that up to now we have not really replaced him.Off field antics by rugby players arn`t restricted to Cooke and Raynor.Speaking for myself,its what they do on the pitch that you have to comment on,as we are not actually there see the things they are accused of as a rule.
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| Quote ="barham red"Don't think it would come as a shock if we did let him go (I would have expected it to be at the end of this season tho') but maybe we would get a fee for him as well and it may be a prudent time for him to go. If he does stay it will maybe be the kick up the ar5e he needs to work for a new contract either with us or with a new club. This will probably be the first time for a long time he's found himself in a position like this.
Galea looked a shadow of himself towards the end of last season. We need to reduce quota (and wage bill)next year and he may be the one to make way. 2nd row is an area we are strong in and he isn't a spring chicken anymore so it wouldn't be the end of the world if we used moving him on to strengthen another area.'"
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| Quote ="fc-eaststander"nobody will take cooke on the money hes on with you and why would he move to take less ,he might as well see his contract out ,then when hes a free he will have more chance of getting himself a better deal ,if Bradford have another lean season i could see someone like them comming in for him ,just a thought ,if the same peaple who are running FC now are still there at the end of the season i can not see us moving for him ,nor would i want to TBH, hes a fine player but has a lot of bagadge'"
What sort of money is Cooke on then?
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| Quote ="vb1981"What sort of money is Cooke on then?'"
£125,000 a year reportedly.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"£125,000 a year reportedly.'"
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