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| on the new signings we have made so far i think they have all been quite good signings to add to the current squad for next year. Any thoughts
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| Agree so far pretty good. Think we need some clarification on which players are defo staying with all the rumours, plus would like to see a couple of bigger name signings to boost ticket sales and give the town a buzz. I have faith in the club though as I can't see SOC/TOC/Cullen having a second rate team as any bid would need momemtum to be building....hears hoping
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| I think the make-up of the team will be quite a bit better next season and we will be better equipped to handle injuries to one or two players.
Look at last year and the periods of inconsistency occurred when one or both of Morrison or Fletcher were injured or missing. I think the pack is already looking a bit better and I'm pleased that there is more focus on giving some of the junior players more of a turn as they increase their development.
I think we should look to wrap up things quickly where the are areas of uncertainty over a certain second-row / prop one way or another. It seems our position on this matter is quite clear.
Cullen has also come out and rubbished rumours that Webster is leaving in the Weekly news so that puts an end to things there.
Overall expect a more balanced squad, that Cullen has picked, with better support provided to our better players.
We will go just fine next year.
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| A team does not need to be full of stars to be successful. And for me the signings that Widnes have are solid rather than spectacular. However IF Cullen can mould the individuals in to playing as a unit-something which was missing for long periods last year-then Widnes have the players to win everything. Even if Webster or Smith left I do not feel Widnes would be that much weakened. You still have the likes of Thackray, amongst others who are quality players and you could quite easily bring in other quality players if need be.
I suspect Barrow maybe weaker losing Ellis and maybe others. Fax maybe stronger but also could be vulnerable again. Much depends on Harris for Fev. Sheffield, Batley, Haven will be strong. Toulouse have got rid of 5 or so. Who comes in will be interesting. Gateshead the same. If they bring in 4 or 5 Quality NRL players then they will be tough. Dewsbury will be no mugs. Keighley will be favs to go back down but they also will be stronger than Donny were. This year was good but next year looks already to be better!
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| We look to be assembling a better balanced squad than last year... We still need a goal kicker though..............
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| Next Season will be the toughest this league has seen in a long time, so many teams becoming balanced it will be one long dogfight, we as fans will reap the rewards of some epic onfield clashes. I CANT WAIT icon_biggrin.gif
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| I've heard a strong rumour that Stephen Nash has re - signed for us. Time will tell .
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| Good signings upto yet, McGillvary if he comes in.. Hags Ford, some real potential there and were getting rid of the liabilities. Fletch and Morro will be a big loss but Cull knows what hes doing. Thacks and Webbo will be even better this year as they will have had another year working together.
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| Quote ="Redchemic"I've heard a strong rumour that Stephen Nash has re - signed for us. Time will tell
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I do hope that isnt true, we already have 5 excellent front rowers.
We need another centre and Second Row, if we get them i will be very Happy. McGillvary could probably cover both centre and Wing as he's a big lad. That then leaves us with a second row.
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| Quote ="-VIKINGMAN-"I do hope that isnt true, we already have 5 excellent front rowers.
We need another centre and Second Row, if we get them i will be very Happy. McGillvary could probably cover both centre and Wing as he's a big lad. That then leaves us with a second row.'"
I'd take Nash and play him as a second row.
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| Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"I'd take Nash and play him as a second row.'"
Bit slow though isnt he? we could possibly take Nash and put Ben Kavanagh in the second row. He would cause serious damage out wide.
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| If we announce another 2 permanent, lets say Mcgillvary and Paul Johnson for instance (im not saying they will just giving some names for the minute) and then announce 3 dual contracters in Wheeler, Armstrong, Dixon from saints for instance then our squad will be excellent.
The club is in good hands and know what they're doing.
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| Quote ="-VIKINGMAN-"Bit slow though isnt he? we could possibly take Nash and put Ben Kavanagh in the second row. He would cause serious damage out wide.'" He's not lightening but has a bit of pace over 10 - 15 yards certainly enough to bring his centre into play. We would probably get more out of him running out wide rather than into the middle.
I think he had a good game against Quins not so long back in which 'he won the game'.
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| Quote ="In EnemyTerritory"I'd take Nash and play him as a second row.'"
That was my thought.....
.......but then I thought this too!!
Quote ="VIKINGMAN"Bit slow though isnt he?'"
as VM says, the Kavanagh option may work and we should trust the club.
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| I'd be happy to see Nash come back, I think he continues to show a lot of promise.
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| Quote ="Alex J"I'd be happy to see Nash come back, I think he continues to show a lot of promise.'"
It also puts a tick back in the 'homegrown' box regardless of what Stevo says on telly!
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| Quote ="Redchemic"It also puts a tick back in the 'homegrown' box regardless of what Stevo says on telly!'"
That had crossed my mind, can anyone confirm as to whether he'd count as a homegrown player?
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| I don't see why not.
He came through our youth system, the same as Myler and Sidlow if I'm not mistaken so he should count as one of our 'products'.
Regardless of where he plays or ends up, he/they started out at Widnes.
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| To count as homegrown, he would have had to have been at Widnes for 3 years before his 21st birthday - I think he would count.
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| Quote ="Redchemic"I don't see why not.
He came through our youth system, the same as Myler and Sidlow if I'm not mistaken so he should count as one of our 'products'.
Regardless of where he plays or ends up, he/they started out at Widnes.'" so on your theory we can include myler in our home grown talent?? er no! its players who started and remained through the youth system, not started played well and were sold to highest bidder
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| Quote ="DESMONDO"so on your theory we can include myler in our home grown talent?? er no! its players who started and remained through the youth system, not started played well and were sold to highest bidder'"
If you are a Salford fan, then that is exactly the PR spin that your club has been trying to put on Myler, Sidlow, Nash etc!!!!
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| Quote ="DESMONDO"so on your theory we can include myler in our home grown talent?? er no! its players who started and remained through the youth system, not started played well and were sold to highest bidder'"
During the next licence application Widnes would be absolute fools not to make some reference to him and where he came from.
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| Quote ="DESMONDO"so on your theory we can include myler in our home grown talent?? er no! its players who started and remained through the youth system, not started played well and were sold to highest bidder'"
What are you talking about? The sitution you have described applies to both Myler and Nash. They are both local lads who came through the system to earn a place in the 1st team squad. It wasn't as if we just got them from another club then played them for a year or so and then claimed they were home grown. I think Sidlow would also count as home grown as he also came through the youth system (although I believe he did start off at Wigan at some point). Sidlow was certainly in our u18's in 2005 + 2006 and was still with us in 2007 when he went on loan if I remember.
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| The way I grade it is if they have come through your aacdemy... at least under 18 level and then made a first team debut for your team!
I.E. NO matter how old you are once you have made your PROFESSIONAL debut for 1 club you cannot be home grown for another!
Like Deacon Oldham / Bulls I think whereas Sinfield doesn't count as Oldham but Leeds?
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| Quote ="DESMONDO"so on your theory we can include myler in our home grown talent?? er no! its players who started and remained through the youth system, not started played well and were sold to highest bidder'"
As other replies have stated, my theory is one which is correct and also applies common sense
Widnes took these lads into their youth system from junior teams and developed their talent to such an extent that they were able to be selected for first team rugby. They did well enough to attract the attentions of teams in higher divisions and were well within their rights (and also well within their bounds of self betterment) to ply their trade at a higher level with a higher wage.
I'm certain that Widnes would not have wanted these lads to move on but ultimately couldn't and probably wouldn't hold these lads back. As a club, Widnes would have been total idiots not to sell them on to the highest bidder.
Why sell them on to the lowest bidder .
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