Just watching your game with Saint Helens and am of the opinion that referees have too much influence on the games outcome.

Fail to see how both players were deemed to have picked up yellow cards

Why were penalties not deemed sufficient.

The standard of refereeing has fallen to the lowest that I have ever known in the 60 years that I have followed Wakefield.

Absolute disgrace so far from Thaler.

I'd like to see stats for red and yellow cards overall this year vs last 2-3. It's self-perpetuating. More cards given, more players seek to invite them. Game's gone soft.

The same touch judge told him to give the first two yellows. I can understand the crusher but the Washy one was a bit mystifying.

try looking at the knee to the head which is what he was carded for

All three were correct. Crusher tackle was obvious. The washy one who started by sticking his head into him and then LMS retaliates but then washy decides to go one further by kneeing him in the head and the late challenge was silly and the ball was gone and he could have pulled out or just glanced him.

Not sure what Houghton is supposed to do with Connor and Mini come in to complete the tackle.

LMS repeatedly lashing out at Fash's head!!!!

Sin bin was originally meant for technical offences.

The penalty against Connor late on for contact with the head? There would be a penalty on 3 tackles from every set if you apply the letter of the law. Its far too much of a lottery if you are awarded a penalty like this. Likewise for offside, Hull had plenty of time near St's line, yet the St's wingers and centre are stood 2 meters in front of the try line. This dictates that the ball will not go in that direction.

Hull were unlucky today and the sin binnings were crucial.

All 3 looked justified but it's still tough having 3 players yellow carded.

Washbrook for me was the worst offender he clearly saw the red mist couldn't control his anger and with the tackle long since completed he deliberately kneed a St Helens player in the face. With Houghton already in the bin he probably cost his team a win in that moment of indiscipline.

Fair comment. We knew we didn't have the individual quality to match Saints so a win was going to have to come from effort/fight and we pushed things too far.

no problems with the sending offs, but Kelly was wiped out and nothing, watch the next few matches and you will see the same thing, knees in at the play the ball, after a try has been scored etc, and nothing done,

all 3 sin binning's a joke , games gone soft, the masi was one was ridiculous, penalty maybe, yellow, not a chance, every single last play tackle in the NRL end with a hit like that, no problem as long no shoulder charge or head high, the refs are completely spoiling the game, and fans agreeing with them sin binning's are just helping them along.

LMS has his hand on Kelly before the kick left his boot - it wasn’t late but he should of softened slightly.

The Washbrook one wasn’t just knees but actively kneeing - it was worse than the Amor sinbinning in game1 vs Cas for us so it’s not like it’s not like we haven’t been hit by it before.

Barba did exactly the same tackle a few weeks ago to prevent a try and yet everyone was raving about how good a tackle it was, Connor does exactly the same, in fact I'd say he has even less of his arm around the neck and he gets a slap by Thaler.
It's the inconsistancy of it all that pees everyone off.

I don't have many complaints with the refereeing really. I thought Masi's was harsh, slightly late, but not a shoulder charge and didn't look like any contact with the head either. Penalty sufficient. But it was needless at a time when we had just clawed our way back into the game, hopefully a lesson learned for Masi that there is a time and a place to throw your weight about and rough up the opposition, and that wasnt it.

Houghton's was a crusher. It was unfortunate and I'm not sure he could have avoided it with the players behind him, but those are yellow cards every time, you need to avoid getting in that position in the first place.

Washbrook's was deserved. There was very little in it, but again you just can't use your knees like that. When you got sin binned for exactly the same thing in the last cup game you would think a lesson might be learned, but no. He deserved it for stupidity.

A few other decisions I didn't really agree with but they were minor. The high tackle on Barba was soft and personally I wouldn't give penalties for tackles like that but you see them penalised every week. I also thought that chance we had really early when Carlos threw it on the floor was harsh. It was a pass (a scruffy pass, but still a pass) and it didn't go forward. We looked like we might score off it too.

ATEOTD we need to stop blaming the ref and address our discipline problem. Some of the cards we have had this year have not been deserved, but when you are getting them so often you have to take notice and do something about it.

6 yellow cards and a red card in this year's Challenge Cup run.

Surely that's a record?!

LMS didn't have a finger on Kelly, but no way were Hull going to be allowed to win yesterday, Saints won, wether they were the better side is debateable.

Proud of our team.

I thought thaler had a decent game overall and let the game flow. houghton was unlucky as his tackle was OK but connor coming in put the pressure on. The other 2 were just stupid, especially washbrook's who would have known better especially when we were already a man down and probably cost us the game ultimately.

All 3 were justifiably yellow cards

On the subject of referees I have a question. The Shaul tackle at Featherstone was classed as a miss timed tackle after several viewings by the video referee (Ben Thaler if I am correct) and warranted no action on the field. The Matongo tackle was classed as a late tackle (dubious call, my opinion only) yet receives an instant yellow from Ben Thaler. Am I missing something?

No, you've highlighted how inconsistent the officials are, they are the same for every team.

The difference between the 2 tackles (and this is massively open to interpretation and debate) is that Taulapapa (sp?) was a mistimed tackle, whereas Matongo was an off the ball hit. What I mean by that was that the first one was a committed tackle where he just got his timing wrong. Whereas Masi did have time to pull out and just decided to hit the man without he ball anyway. Neither were really worthy of a yellow card imo. They weren't high and they weren't shoulder charges.

No what it means is the VR system is now being used above and beyond its original use at a detriment to the game as referee's now are ducking the responsibility. The Shaul one Micky Mouse handed it over to the VR and made a total cock up of a decision. what it actually means is you can clean anybody out on the field off the ball as long as you're early but if you're a split second late its not classed as mistimed but late unless you are LMS.

On the cards yesterday I thought Houghtons was harsh but inevitable after Richardson played on it to get it reviewed, Washy was stupid and deserved it though it was a tap rather than anything so a stern word would have sufficed and Masi's card again I thought was harsh. Why did Makinson not get pulled up for a applying pressure on the neck of Carlos? Why did LMS not get at least a yellow for repeated rabbit punches to the head of Fash? Fash was penalised for his head in the tackle but you see that happen in just about every set in the game.

The game with the current state the officiating is in under Ganson will only deteriorate into a sport not worth watching die to the constant inconsistency and over use of the VR. As I have still yet to understand the logic that you can't use the video to rule out at try for a forward pass (due to the angles) but yet you can use it to see on/offside which has the same difficulty in a large proportion of reviews??

The only thing the officials are consistent with is the inconsistency not just game by game but half by half.

Mistimed??? That's the whole point Taulapapas was far far worse as he was intent on taking out Shaul ball or otherwise, and he wasnt just a little bit early was he? So by the logic the officials work to then taking a player out off the ball is ok as long you're early.

The RFL need to make a clear and unambiguous statement on just what the VR is there for.
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There is a simple answer, scrap the VR.

As long as you're committed. His tackle wasn't dirty as such, he was trying to hit Shaul as soon as he got the ball and got it wrong. Masi's I don't think warranted a yellow but it was needless and a bit of a cheap shot. A lot of refs would have sin binned the Shaul tackle and maybe not sin binned Masi. It's open to interpretation. You can complain about lack of consistency all you like, but it's very hard to get right, no two tackles are ever quite the same.

I get what you're saying but there is mistimed and there is mistimed, Taulapapas wasnt just slightly mistimed he was intent a cleaning Shaul out ball or not, if there is a duty of care and responsilbility by the players making a tackle then whether its early or late should make no difference. Taulapapa was careless and reckless and was a damnsight worse than Masi of which you see a dozen or so times. The game is just a bloody mess thats to the total inconsistency and poor standards of officiating and hardly any accountability for the performances, its not like they are professional officials is it.........................oh hang on a minute they are and have been for long enough to be a damn sight better. The VR for me if it canm't be used at all games should be scrapped as it is now causing too much controversy as it been used for way more than it was brought in for and certain players are now using it to gain an advantage.