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| Which is our best half back partnership?
To me, Kelly/Connor has looked our most potent combination. Not a criticism of Sneydy as I like him as a player, just judging it on what I've seen.
Think Radford will stick with Kelly/Sneyd though.
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| I'd have Kelly/Connor all day long.
Like the way Connor is prepared to take the line on and engage the defence. Think his own defence is better too, Sneyd was too much like a turn style last night.
At 21 and playing alongside Kelly think Connor will develop his game.
Other than last play predictable kicks Sneyd doesn't do enough for me.
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| Kelly/Sneyd
They are our first choice halves and we should always play them if available. Connor is a good goalkicker, Sneyd is excellent. I get the frustrations with Sneyd but give Connor an extended run at scrum half and eventually people will knock him, saying his kicking game is not good enough.
BTW Sneyd's tackle % is marginally better than Connor's.
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Kelly/Sneyd
They are our first choice halves and we should always play them if available. Connor is a good goalkicker, Sneyd is excellent. I get the frustrations with Sneyd but give Connor an extended run at scrum half and eventually people will knock him, saying his kicking game is not good enough.
BTW Sneyd's tackle % is marginally better than Connor's.'"
What dictates they are our 1st choice halfs and why can't that change if ones form is better than another? It shouldn't be set in stone or where's the incentive to play for a place.
Kicking is all Sneyd seems to have as his forte and that's not enough for me.
Why will people knock Connor, where is your evidence to suggest this will be the case?
I'd rather see Connor at least having a go, taking on the line than Sneyd catch and pass kick on the 5th.
Connor has time and ability to develop his kicking game.
I must have missed Sneyd dropping off at least 5 tackles and sat on his ar5e for 1 bizarre attempt.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"What dictates they are our 1st choice halfs and why can't that change if ones form is better than another? It shouldn't be set in stone or where's the incentive to play for a place.
Kicking is all Sneyd seems to have as his forte and that's not enough for me.
[uWhy will people knock Connor, where is your evidence to suggest this will be the case?[/u
I'd rather see Connor at least having a go, taking on the line than Sneyd catch and pass kick on the 5th.
Connor has time and ability to develop his kicking game.
I must have missed Sneyd dropping off at least 5 tackles and sat on his ar5e for 1 bizarre attempt.'"
Have you been reading this board a while?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Have you been reading this board a while?'"
Unfortunately yes.
Some people occasionally go ott but still not a fair reflection in my opinion
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| Kelly and Connor all day long. Does anybody watch the games? Sneyd doesn't engage any defenders as he plays too far away from them so they back away from him and pick up the runners. We are one of the only sides who struggle to create an overlap as nobody takes defenders out of play. When we had the overlap last night and Sneyd opted to kick for Talanoa, it was awful. Any 7 worth his salt throws a quick pass to the centre and it's try time
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| 5 kicks to the right, 5 failed. Connor/Kelly all day long!
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| I must admit I'm starting to move into the Kelly/Connor camp. We've certainly played our best rugby with those two there imo, although the number of basic errors in recent weeks hasnt given Sneyd too much to work with. Griffin is starting to look much better at centre too, so its not just so obvious to say stick Connor back at centre. I think next week I would stick with Sneyd. He's got the big game experience and temperament. But I would be monitoring the situation. I certainly see the arguement about him not enganging defenders well enough, but thats not what he is. He is a distributer and an organiser with a strong kicking game. I dont think we would notice his short comings so much if we had a better ball player at full back (not blaming Shaul by the way, he offers plenty in other areas). Its kind of like Richard Horne in reverse, when everyone used to bemoan his lack of organisational skills. What I would really like to see is Connor as more of a ball handling 13, I think we have enough size in the pack that we dont need an extra prop at 13, but I dont see Radford going down that route any time soon.
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Kelly and Connor all day long. Does anybody watch the games? Sneyd doesn't engage any defenders as he plays too far away from them so they back away from him and pick up the runners. We are one of the only sides who struggle to create an overlap as nobody takes defenders out of play. When we had the overlap last night and Sneyd opted to kick for Talanoa, it was awful. Any 7 worth his salt throws a quick pass to the centre and it's try time'"
regarding Sneyd not engaging defenders...
Could it be, he has lost confidence, due to no support runners??
Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"I must admit I'm starting to move into the Kelly/Connor camp. We've certainly played our best rugby with those two there imo, although the number of basic errors in recent weeks hasnt given Sneyd too much to work with. Griffin is starting to look much better at centre too, so its not just so obvious to say stick Connor back at centre. I think next week I would stick with Sneyd. He's got the big game experience and temperament. But I would be monitoring the situation. I certainly see the arguement about him not enganging defenders well enough, but thats not what he is. He is a distributer and an organiser with a strong kicking game. I dont think we would notice his short comings so much if we had a better ball player at full back (not blaming Shaul by the way, he offers plenty in other areas). Its kind of like Richard Horne in reverse, when everyone used to bemoan his lack of organisational skills. What I would really like to see is Connor as more of a ball handling 13, I think we have enough size in the pack that we dont need an extra prop at 13, but I dont see Radford going down that route any time soon.'"
What I would really like to see is Connor as more of a ball handling Fullback..
this would give us three pivots..
Wont happen though....
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| Quote ="weaver93"regarding Sneyd not engaging defenders...
Could it be, he has lost confidence, due to no support runners??
What I would really like to see is Connor as more of a ball handling Fullback..
this would give us three pivots..
Wont happen though....'"
And do what with Shaul?
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"And do what with Shaul?'"
Wing maybe?
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| What will we do when Albert leaves (as I'm sure he will one day).
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| Quote ="weaver93"Wing maybe?'"
Possible, has he ever played wing?
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| Kelly & Sneyd my 1st choice, Kelly has the x factor out of the three of them and I think that Sneyd has the better kicking game than Jake.
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"Possible, has he ever played wing?'"
I really would like to see our '6' played on the left edge, this would give
service to the backrower, left centre ,winger on that side, coupled with a creative fullback
to provide a link on the right..
IF Shaul could improve his skill level, he'd be the best British fullback in the game,
his support play is outstanding..
Also, this would give our attack, more balance, with a threat, on all sides of the pitch,
as currently we predominantly go to the right, as we have no left pivot.
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| Quote ="Fields of Fire"Kelly & Sneyd my 1st choice, Kelly has the x factor out of the three of them and I think that Sneyd has the better kicking game than Jake.'"
You mean the predictable kick to the wing every time? Houghton has a better (less predictable) kicking game than Sneyd. If Sneyd didn't kick goals he wouldn't be in, I hate to agree with Gary Schofield but, imho, he's right about Sneyd.
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"You mean the predictable kick to the wing every time? Houghton has a better (less predictable) kicking game than Sneyd. If Sneyd didn't kick goals he wouldn't be in, I hate to agree with Gary Schofield but, imho, he's right about Sneyd.'"
I actually agreed with Schoefield too. Obviously not a popular choice on here.
Ironically his only good alround game came after that.
If we saw that Sneyd week in week out he'd be a cracking player.
As it is with him, it's peaks and troughs and the predictable 5th tackle kick.
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| if sneyd hadn't played at Wembley,we would still be hearing that dreaded chant from opposing fans.
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| Quote ="fosdyke99"if sneyd hadn't played at Wembley,we would still be hearing that dreaded chant from opposing fans.'"
Well we'll never know that for sure will we?
And again another game where he was non existent for 70 mins.
I'm grateful for the fact we won but come on he can't dine out on that forever.
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"You mean the predictable kick to the wing every time? Houghton has a better (less predictable) kicking game than Sneyd. If Sneyd didn't kick goals he wouldn't be in, I hate to agree with Gary Schofield but, imho, he's right about Sneyd.'"
You are having a laugh if you think Houghton has a better kicking game, Sneyd can put it on a sixpence the only kicking Jake does is last tackle boots upfield I can't recall a try coming off a kick from him or a 40/20 ( I ain't seen away games apart from TV so if I'm wrong I'll stand corrected )
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| Quote ="PCollinson1990"You mean the predictable kick to the wing every time? Houghton has a better (less predictable) kicking game than Sneyd. If Sneyd didn't kick goals he wouldn't be in, I hate to agree with Gary Schofield but, imho, he's right about Sneyd.'"
You either,
You do not attend
You go for a wee frequently and miss a lot of the game
Or simply do not like Sneyd
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From Fridat alone, I am thinking you missed the rubber which Houghton should have been given a try for (pulled back for a penalty for us)
The countless long kicks which split the defenders
The frequent 40/20s
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"You either,
You do not attend
You go for a wee frequently and miss a lot of the game
Or simply do not like Sneyd
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From Fridat alone, I am thinking you missed the rubber which Houghton should have been given a try for (pulled back for a penalty for us)
The countless long kicks which split the defenders
The frequent 40/20s'"
Oh I attend, and I don't dislike Sneyd, just of the opinion that Connor/Kelly is a better partnership. Hope Sneyd proves me wrong at Doncaster. (be intrigued how many 40/20's class as frequent)
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| Could it be that Sneyd has looked bang average all season and a lot of last season not all down to him no engaging the defence. But that we lack even one option (don't like the term dummy runner), they just wait for the pass to be given by him, that it's not all down to Sneyd. Look at Fridays game, we were complete garbage in attack. We didn't seem to have any set plays barring one from a scrum that looked good but was slow and didn't gain us any decent metres.
The one thing that did annoy me with Sneyd was after the first two or three failed kicks to our right side, why did he think it was a good idea to keep trying this for another two attempts?
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| Quote ="Fields of Fire"You are having a laugh if you think Houghton has a better kicking game, Sneyd can put it on a sixpence the only kicking Jake does is last tackle boots upfield I can't recall a try coming off a kick from him or a 40/20 ( I ain't seen away games apart from TV so if I'm wrong I'll stand corrected )'"
Connor kick to the corner try away at Salford is 1 comparing how many times he's played in the halfs.
Houghton is not a better kicker I agree.
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