I have been a critic of his like every other fc fan but cant help feeling sorry for the guy he hasn't really been given a string of games with holdsworth to see how they go. he got one game against Leeds and was not our worse player on the night if anything he played ok but slipped off a few tackles in last 15 minutes he's lost his place to Horney and fair play he's keeping him out of the team at the moment but why we would not play him when holdsworth or Horne get injured is beyond me.
you cant be that rubbish if you have played in nrl in that position granted he's no benji Marshall but he has had good games for us in the past and if were paying his big wages then for me he needs to have a run of 4 or 5 games with dj to see if they can get a partnership going if not then send him packing.
I saw him today in Hessle coming out of the weir bar with his toothpick getting into his 1950's bmw looking miserable as sin they must be a player in him some where.
id like to hear your views on where you think he stands at the club and if he has a part to play in this season and next?

I agree, he played well in derby, then had a bad game v leeds, give the guy a chance.

unless hes asking not to play, in that case, offer him in a swap for dobson

Given Gentle's answers to questions about him, it's not a decision made on how well he does defensively or how steady he is in attack. It seems to be that he is unable to implement the style of play or structure Gentle wants, and he feels Horne & Holdsworth are better at that task.
I've defended Seymour, and think he's been criticised unfairly. But Gentle sees him day in day out at training, if he's not up to the job then there's little else you can do.

Does anyone know if his contract was a straight 3 yr deal or a 2 with a 3rd yr option?Just wondering if his 3rd yr was maybe appearance related,and maybe the easiest way for us to release him? I do actually feel for the bloke,especially if he is training hard and wanting to play..

i think he will be paid off by the end of the season

I'm happy that Gentle is ruthless. people should earn their shirt on performances not on the size of their contract

The only real problem I have is going with Heremaia instead when one of Horne/Holdsworth are out. He is clearly no better and I don't see that he offers any other style of play or structure either, so if we're going to freeze out Seymour it should at least be to give Nicklas a chance rather than another tried and failed option which also weakens hooker into the bargain. If it happens again I'll start to be concerned about Gentle's judgment.

seymour is a waster, always has been, ask anyone in the nrl, hence why he was shipped off to the uk

with the derth of S/Hs in SL and the NRL he'll get another gig no problem and thats what the club are p[robably waiting for

I dont want to start another rumour thread BUT heard we could have a new scrum half by easter so may be seymore could be gone by then anyway.

Doubt we've got enough cap space to pay him off and accommodate another scrum half.

I thought Nicklas was on loan, so not an option? Agree about Heremaia, not sure I'd question Gentle quite so early. Heremaia played behind a beaten pack last Saturday, ironically as Seymour did.

if he's not in gentle's plans i think we should be focusing on one of the youngsters in his position and building them up so if the worst happens and we get the injuries in the halves we have nicklas to step up or another youngster if they is one

Surely we must have some sort of recall clause? Otherwise what's the point of a 1 year contract & farming him out for the entire length of it?

Agree about the beaten pack, and that's essentially the point. Heremaia was at least as ineffectual as Seymour, and as ineffectual as any half will be without space in which to work. That's exactly why I'd question Gentle if he does it again, because it should be clear now that whoever he picks out of Seymour and Heremaia will not work until he sorts the PTB out, and moving Heremaia just gives us an additional problem elsewhere. It really is a no-brainer to keep Heremaia away from the halves except in dire emergency, so I'll be worried if he can't see that. Incidentally, it's not that early, either. He's been here over a year now, with a good few months of evidence of Heremaia at both hooker and scrum half.

Not sure, but that was exactly my question when it was announced.



See what you mean, why lose out in two positions? One thing I notice is that Heremaia plays a lot closer to the line than Seymour does, I think that's how Gentle wants his seven to be. Seymour looks a broken man.

Would be strange to say the least if we can't.



Exactly, it only makes sense to move someone if either they are your best option or you can replace them in their original role with minimal impact, preferably both. IMO Heremaia to half back is neither.

I see what you mean, but I'm still not convinced the quality of his work is good enough. He threw a few poor passes on Saturday and even lined a teammate up for a whack on a few occasions, and the bulk of the time he was just keeping the ball moving along the line with basic passes. It doesn't give us any real benefit, most players should be able to do that (indeed Seymour can), and it's a waste of his talent at hooker.

Agree about Seymour looking broken, he looked in massive need of confidence against Leeds, I thought.

I personally dont think Seymours as bad as most make out, he just doesnt fit in with our style of play as as happened a few times with S/H's and FC with Jamie Ellis at Cas a recent example who doesnt look a world beater but is doing pretty well for a young lad imo

He had a chance, didn't play great, Horney is not playing better to keep him out. Harsh, but that's the way it is with a bigger squad, and Gentle has kept his word in that dept. I would have played him instead of Azza at 7 last week, but I don't see him every day at training.

I agree with all your post, but thought I'd pick this part out. It is so annoying, we do this constantly Heremaia took the ball first receiver on Sat, ran laterally for a drop off to Tickle (the old drop off to Ticks routine) this time though, four defenders had lined Ticks up, Heremaia saw this yet STILL dropped it off. We are so rigid and set in what we do. I'm glad Watts is fit for next week, at least his offloads let us be a bit more spontaneous.

Who ?

It's moronic, and it's one of those things we seem to do regardless of the personnel.

Your right. It constantly narks me off. I aint no no SL coach but surely our big second rowers should be running wider out at the opposition centres a lot more (with maybe our centres switching to back up on the inside and wingers on the outside).
But no, we still persevere with the little telegraphed drop off pass in the centre of the pitch and run back down the middle straight into the biff of several big forwards and get clobbered.

The only time it seems to work is when we drop off to someone with real pace who can occasionally jink past the tiring forwards down the middle ie. McDonnell, or one of the wingers who has come infield.

Someone like Myler for Wire can pull it off but i'm afraid our halfs just don't have his pace or step.

Heremaia's acting half game relies on momentum , this requires the forwards to make ground land on their fronts and ptb quickly. That rarely happens and means we're pushed laterally. Houghton has the same issue but is slower with his passing. Watts will give the variation we need hopefully to break up the opposition's defensive pattern and give the acting half more options which should also give more time to the halves. Do that and McDonnell will score plenty of tries off those inside acting half plays that look so pedestrian now.

This is the point for me, Gentle see's the players in training and bases his selection on this. Clearly there is an issue there with Seymour and hence he isn't getting picked. I think Seymour is better than the fans give him credit for but he is an easy person to blame. As for Heremaia his best influence on the side is as an impact hooker and we lose something when he plays in the halves.

Personally I would rather Seymour at 7 and Heremaia off the bench but PG knows better than us why he's making the calls he is.

We should have paid him off before the season started. At least we'd have had his quota and cap space if anyone became available mid-season. I agree with Carl's point about Heremaia being no better in the halves than Seymour, which tends to make me think that he's being kept out for other reasons. Either way, from what I've seen of him in a Hull shirt, I'd not be sorry to see him find alternative employment.