Phelps is 'full' quota. If McKinnon really does have Scottish ancestry then he could get a British passport and go Non-Fed, thus replacing Lauaki.

Non fed / Quota irrelevant. You are allowed 5 in total now.

I doubt that, clubs already have more than 5 signed for next season.

Nope. Two lists, remember?

Neither can I. I was talking about equivalent quota status not who would stay or go. In quota terms McKinnon=Lauaki.

Isn't Lauaki on a Tongan passport?

Yes but he's non-fed trained... kind of trades off against obst who's on an aussie passport but federation trained

I wouldn't trust those

Exactly so he's not on both lists which McKinnon could be.

Yup. But if you look a few posts back when this started it was based on the possibility of McKinnon getting a British passport based on his Scottish ancestry. So it's a hypothetical argument about a player we haven't even signed yet.

indeed, but allowed a max of 5 on each, including those that are exempt for whatever reason. Hence the Willie Mason mess.

By your logic, we could sign another quota player for this season. You are only allowed 5 in total, so soon, fed and quota will be irrelevant (once all the pre 2008 players have gone)

I could be completely wrong like, but this is how I see things!

As long as there are players who only take up one slot on either list the two lists will be relevant and 5 will not be the maximum total in practise. I agree that over the next few years it will become the the case and the difference between quota and non-fed will become irrelevant, but right now you can still fit more than 5 overseas players into your squad.

Hull currently have:

Quota: O'Meley, Fitzgibbon, Obst, Phelps.

Non-fed: O'Meley, Fitzgibbon, Phelps, Moa, E.L.

You have a quota spot, so don't need MacKinnon's British passport, but you'd need to clear a non-fed place for him.

Obst is Non Fed and O'meley and Fitz are good but they shouldn't count twice.

Obst was in SL before the non-fed rule came in to force and so is exempt. MO and CF only count once - but on each of the two lists. The one thing fans of SL can be grateful to Mason for is for clarifying that the two lists operate independently.

How on gods green earth can either of them class as non fed?

You're asking why O'Meley and Fitzgibbon are classed as [unon[/u-fed trained?

Yes because the non fed list includes players that wouldnt used to count as quota (Kolpak, EU passport, Residency) then the quota list is for full blown players with no way round it.

Going by what you are saying how would a Tongan (kolpak) passport for Mason allow both him and Dobson to be on the quota if he counted on both. Also you missed Manu off the "Non-Fed" list of FC players.

Residency doesn't count on the list.

MR has the lists spot on

To be honest I've given up on the quota/non-fed system and moved on to quantum mechanics.

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=413031 Hull have 5 quota and 2 non fed trained.

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=413031 Hull have 5 quota and 2 non fed trained.

No we don't!

Aussies and Kiwis count as both quota [iand[/i non-fed trained. They appear on both lists, which is fair enough imo.

Quota players count on BOTH lists. If Mason got a Tongan passport that would remove him from the Quota list but he'd still take up a spot on the Non-Fed list. Dobson would still occupy a spot on both lists.

It helps if you think of the lists as Quota=No EU passport (or equivalent) and Non-Fed=Overseas Trained. So Fitz (for example) has an Australian passport and was trained there so is on BOTH lists. If he got an EU passport he'd come off one list but stay on the other.

I know it's vaguely linked, but could be have a quota discussion thread, rather than it cluttering up the "New Signing" thread??