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| Quote ="World of Redboy"Have just emailed the club asking about Sam Moa and Lauaki getting dispensation to become Fed trained, freeing up 2 non fed spots in the squad.'"
I thought everyone was upset about British players not been having opportunities in the game? Why would we want three more overseas?
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| Quote ="Forever FC"They should just bring a ruling out that 12 of the 17 need to be EU trained as per the old/currentish rules. Let teams have as many foreign players as they like but they can only play 5 in any game. Clubs wont want to stockpile aussies etc if they have to pay they but cant play them. Its not stopping any player from employment then is it?'"
I'm sure some argument could be made for un-equal opportunities.
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| Quote ="World of Redboy"Have just emailed the club asking about Sam Moa and Lauaki getting dispensation to become Fed trained, freeing up 2 non fed spots in the squad.'"
Me too. Something or someone (you'd have thought the RFL) must have led the club to believe that Lauaki and Moa are non fed trained, though. Lauaki got a Tongan passport too, there was a delay with the whole speaking English test that it entails. Would be interesting to see a list of all the players at all clubs split into homegrown, British, Quota, Exempt (pre 200icon_cool.gif, etc.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I thought everyone was upset about British players not been having opportunities in the game? Why would we want three more overseas?'"
You're right but I think people are making the point that it costs a lot of money and takes a lot of time to invest in youth whereae it is a lot cheaper to import players who play at a higher skill/fitness-level: not world-beaters but better than a 17 year old. So why bother if it doesn't count for anything in the domestic league? Why not just bring 'em all over and don't worry about youth?
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| Because that's what our CEO agreed to in 2007.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I thought everyone was upset about British players not been having opportunities in the game? Why would we want three more overseas?'"
We've done more than many clubs on the homegrown side of things, and also paid fees for Tansey and Westerman thinking it would secure us advantage in the long term tying down young British talent. We probably paid over the odds for Tickle with this as a factor as well. In hindsight we may as well not have bothered to the same extent that we did as it won't give us the expected advantage.
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| Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
Yes.
Next question.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
I was embarrassed when we got Berrigan off the quota and I'm glad we don't have to suffer the ignominy of fielding him now he's returned to Oz.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
We've got five overseas players and three may not count on the quota.
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| Quote ="downtheante"I was embarrassed when we got Berrigan off the quota and I'm glad we don't have to suffer the ignominy of fielding him now he's returned to Oz.'"
Tbh that was so berro (and willie) could be a resident here so I have no problem with that.
It's if we replace their spots with other quota players.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
7 upward is a complete micky take. We had 6 last season which was borderline IMO. I think 10 is nothing short of farcical and quite frankly embarassing and should rightly taint any victories that go your way.
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
Can any Hull KR fan on here say that they wouldn't be up in arms over this if at our club we had 5 quota players and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports??
Oh and P.S. It's 8 overseas players as i count them with 'special dispensation' and overseas, plus another one to come!!
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| Quote ="Scott_HKR"Can any Hull FC fan on here say that they would be up in arms over this if at your club you had 5 quota players, and say 2 who were classed as federation due to their passports and like rovers, everything is within the understanding of the RFL?
Would you be protesting the case then? Serious question, not an enticing one.'"
If it went against the spirit of a previous agreement amongst participating clubs then I would not be happy if we did it. After all it's not really the understanding of the RFL that counts if the other 11 members of the agreement don't understand it.
Such an agreement is entirely reliant on none of the participants welching on the gentlemans' agreement isn't it ? When it also runs roughshod over investment decisions made by other parties, such as spending money on youth development, it is even more disingenuous.
[uIF[/u a previous agreement has been rail roaded then it's not something to be celebrated IMO.
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"If it went against the spirit of a previous agreement amongst participating clubs then I would not be happy if we did it. After all it's not really the understanding of the RFL that counts if the other 11 members of the agreement don't understand it.
Such an agreement is entirely reliant on none of the participants welching on the gentlemans' agreement isn't it ? [uWhen it also runs roughshod over investment decisions made by other parties, such as spending money on youth development, it is even more disingenuous. [/u
[uIF[/u a previous agreement has been rail roaded then it's not something to be celebrated IMO.'"
And paying fees to secure young British players.
An amusing aside in the RL Express this week.
Hudgell admits that the uncertainty over Mason's eventual arrival has given the Robins some problems.
"It has impacted on season ticket and merchandise sales" =#0040FFReally, how so? Rovers official website has sales up on last year.
"[uA lot of people were very aware of the non-appearance of Michael Crocker for Hull a couple of years ago. [/uBut when Willie does arrive we expect sales to pick up very quickly"
The underlined bit is entirely irrelevant to the other points, but just a dig. No mention of Eastwood, Carney and Bird who were impacted in the same way. What a tool.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"And paying fees to secure young British players.
An amusing aside in the RL Express this week.
Hudgell admits that the uncertainty over Mason's eventual arrival has given the Robins some problems.
"It has impacted on season ticket and merchandise sales" =#0040FFReally, how so? Rovers official website has sales up on last year.
"[uA lot of people were very aware of the non-appearance of Michael Crocker for Hull a couple of years ago. [/uBut when Willie does arrive we expect sales to pick up very quickly"
The underlined bit is entirely irrelevant to the other points, but just a dig. No mention of Eastwood, Carney and Bird who were impacted in the same way. What a tool.
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Indeed says it all really.
In any case I'm sure we beat our own record sales that year regardless of that setback
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"Surely it should just go on where you are born, end of story, agree on a number of non UK born players alowed in a squad and stick to it, simple.'" You can't do that due to european law unfortunatly.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"[iDoes anyone else think this whole overseas players question is an absolute farce?[/i
Quota, non quota, fed trained, not fed trained...
The whole thing is a joke and the rest of the sporting world must be look at RL and its constent tinkering of the rules as a laughing stock.
Surely it should just go on where you are born, end of story, agree on a number of non UK born players alowed in a squad and stick to it, simple.'"
Yes. This could knock our International game back years but this coming from the RFL , It's not that surprising
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"The thing is, you can't limit a team to players 'just because they are foreign' and as we are part of the EU you cannot deny ANY EU person entry/work.
Can you however do one of the next 2 things:
1. Effectively charge per non-UK player. ie: You can have as many Aussies, NZs or Tongans as you like but it costs 25/50k per 'quota' player from the salary cap thus limiting your financial capabilities.'" This is a great idea my only worry is that it could be classed as still causing a restriction on free trade through the back door.
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| Not if all the sl clubs agree to the rules.
And every body sticks to it.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Not if all the sl clubs agree to the rules.
And every body sticks to it.'" Indeed and you wont find me argueing against you over that.
BUT lets be honest here although it is rather embarrasing and cringeworthy (My head was in my hands when i saw Huge and the RFL confirm it) can you honestly say no-one else would have tried it?
With a little luck the exchange rate will save the RFL the headache anyway in the short term.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"Indeed and you wont find me argueing against you over that.
BUT lets be honest here although it is rather embarrasing and cringeworthy (My head was in my hands when i saw Huge and the RFL confirm it) can you honestly say no-one else would have tried it?
With a little luck the exchange rate will save the RFL the headache anyway in the short term.'"
Didn't Millward try to put this idea to the RFL a couple of years ago while he was at Saints ?.
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| Quote ="Roverswall"You can't do that due to european law unfortunatly.'"
If it is agreed upon and signed by all clubs then there is no problem.
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| Quote ="hullbg"If it is agreed upon and signed by all clubs then there is no problem.'"
Therein lies the problem; hasn't one agreement already been flagrantly breached?
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