Appreciate the thoughts (well positive ones anyway) I've been there 27 years the company has been good to me over that time. But having work taken from Brough to act as a stop gap to our factories in Lancashire takes some stomaching. The product is still a world leading capability, it requires the skills of craftsmen to make and the majority of those affected are hard working, proud and high skilled workers. So if you can't say anything positive or put aside your personal agendas it might just be better to say nowt. My thoughts are with my friends, colleagues and their families because whatever you may think this is a tough time for all and the end of a part of the fabric of peoples livesand the community. We are proud of what we have achieved and will face the future with dignity.

www.theage.com.au/business/bhp-t ... 1kxbt.html Check this out , Australia has little real unemployment and are short of skilled workers.

www.theage.com.au/business/bhp-t ... 1kxbt.html Check this out , Australia has little real unemployment and are short of skilled workers.

Well, putting aside your two wild assumptions on my politcal views and my opinion on current ecomonic issues, but of which are wrong, it doesn't change the fact that your statement was sentationalist. This country is, nor has recently been even remotely close to been bankrupt, not under the previous or current goverments.

Quote ="Bal"Well, putting aside your two wild assumptions on my politcal views and my opinion on current ecomonic issues, but of which are wrong, it doesn't change the fact that your statement was sentationalist. This country is, nor has recently been even remotely close to been bankrupt, not under the previous or current goverments.'" You must have slept through it then. jimrogersblog.com/jim-rogers-ste ... -bankrupt/

Quote ="Bal"Well, putting aside your two wild assumptions on my politcal views and my opinion on current ecomonic issues, but of which are wrong, it doesn't change the fact that your statement was sentationalist. This country is, nor has recently been even remotely close to been bankrupt, not under the previous or current goverments.'" You must have slept through it then. jimrogersblog.com/jim-rogers-ste ... -bankrupt/

I worked there for 5 years in the early 2000's. Great workforce, very proud of the Hawk and thats the downfall of the site. The site IS the hawk and unfortunatly every dog has its day and gets superceeded. The Hawk is and always will be a great trainer aircraft but even when I was there the Italians were trying to building something equal but cheaper, then when India said we like it but can build it for a fraction of your price the writing was on the wall.
Do you blame the government ? how can you. Do you blame BAE? possibly, they could have looked into the future and diluted the situation and given Brough diversification, but how long could they continue to the Hawk build without selling?.

Quote ="Seventies red"You must have slept through it then. jimrogersblog.com/jim-rogers-ste ... -bankrupt/'" That depends on whether you class 30 years ago as recent history. Also referencing a neo-con blogger hardly helps prove any point

Quote ="Seventies red"You must have slept through it then. jimrogersblog.com/jim-rogers-ste ... -bankrupt/'" That depends on whether you class 30 years ago as recent history. Also referencing a neo-con blogger hardly helps prove any point

That was a done deal in 2005 so how you can blame Cameron is a mystery.

Technically not bankrupt (bankruptcy actually relates to an individual so I'm unsure if a country can actually be classed as bankrupt), but on the bones of it's ass

Are you saying he plucked those statistics out of thin air?, i lived through that period of time as a young guy and remember it only to well, the strikes, an uncompetetive workforce, inflation running at 26% and the IMF having to come to our rescue because the Calaghan Government overspent (where have i heard that before), we were then known as the sick man of Europe and for good reasons.

Alan Johnson on national telly now highlighting this terrible thing on This Week.

I like alan johnson. One of the few politicians I've met who actually seem to give a damn

No, I'm saying that he, like you, has oversimplified the causes. I too lived through the 1970s but I also remember things like the 1973 stock market crash, the US withdrawing from the Bretton Woods agreement, the Arab/Israeli war, the quadrupling of oil prices etc etc etc

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I've signed it.

A good cause but it will achieve knack-all. There's only money available for vitally important projects like weekly bin collections.

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thanks for the kind words keep yours to yourself hutchie

Just such a shame he didn't give a damn when his party were spending money we didn't have and encouraging the public to do the same!!

That's what happens when you appoint people like bliar and brown to run the country

I know glad i cant put my hand up to appointing them both.

We could do with someone in charge who just wants to make our country great again instead of being a lap dog for everyone else.

No one would vote for them though

They would have one vote lmao people aren't prepared to wait for the changes to take effect.
They was quick to spend however when the country was told to, im afraid you reap what you sow and my god we are paying for it now!!

The only thing that will change is that the rich will continue to get richer, especially with The Bullingdon Boys looking after their interests.

So all of this mess is down to Blair & Brown eh? Nothing whatsoever to do with dodgy bankers, parceling off sub-prime debts to get them off the books and eventually buying the same debts back, just so they don't miss their bonus?

Or maybe it's down to those who failed to control them?

nothing to do with Labour, they only had 13 years to fix the "mess" that the Tories left afterall.