The "has anyone got their badges" is a bit of a diversion mate, we're not putting ourselves forward as professional RL coaches. The complete lack of direction from the bench is worrying, as is the makeup of the bench, that is my main concern. The results don't concern me so much as the performances, and the fact that we only seem to have a"plan A".

I have!!!

Bought them on E-Bay

in one!!!!! even our plan A seems flawed at present

I repeat...
why have we chosen a coach in Mr Agar to run one of the biggest clubs in the world !! its like fitting cheap seat covers in a Rolls Royce!!

I was just gonna say a similar thing. Its not the result its the amateurish way we get beat that upsets so many !!!

Yes we heard you.

How does someone get experience of running "one of the biggest clubs in the world" [size=59(s)[/size without actually doing it?

I am just worried we will be back to the "well, it's working in training, the boys just have to do the business during the 80 minutes" that we have had from various coaches over the years.

The "learn a lesson" article is just flim flam, why not come out and admit we got the bench and the tactics wrong, if Agar has any confidence in his own abilities then he should back himself publicly.

I know we've only lost 2 games, but I want FC to be challenging the top, and you don't do that by losing in the manner which we have done.

I *almost* hope we lose on Sunday, I don't want another CC run papering over the cracks, it happened with Kear, to an extent Sharp and last year to an extent too.

A passionate post from wally

1. Agar and Sharp could well end up ala Reilly and Hall - great when winning but who takes the blame when losing . Who took decision to replace Thacks with King , instead of dropping Sam Moa to 80 minutes game time in the reserves.

2.We haven't had a great coach since 1989 Brian Smith , since then we have had 'gambles' in Tank/Crooks/Walsh/Kear/Sharp/Agar. Coaches salaries are not in SCap so INVEST big on Wayne Bennett/Bellamy. Always looking for a cheap option and players don't respect cheap coaches. We have had cancers underneath every coach since and inc Walsh. McCrae wasn't a gamble but proved and has since totally proved that he is nothing more than a below average media savvy coach.

3. We will not beat Rovers playing 5 drives rubbish.

4. We miss Crocker as a big aggressive 13 and have not a quality 7

5. Berro must play 80 minutes and may well be still recovering

Cant miss something we never had surely!

Is that your only comment ?

WE have set aside his salary and we therefore miss a player of his tremendous calibre or him , if he ever arrives. We are also short on Hame as his money is being not spent at present.

It's like signing Stacey Jones and he gets injured on the plane coming over drinking tea. We would then have Tommy Lee playing in a position where we have a £250,000 salary (ala Radford playing 13 now).

He's Gotta play against Salford if not against them who can he play against


Washy gotta go back in at 13 Radders isn't loose man.
Possibly think of resting Dowes for this game (for Maloney)
Agar need's to start getting Tough and show it's NO PUSH OVER TO GET IN HIS 17!!

As I said in my post, if thats what is happening on the training pitch why has he changed it??? Hudds and Bradford we was attacking from our own 20, the last two we leave to the last tackle in their 10.

sorry didnt realise I was only talking to you now!!
so what do you class Hull FC as a training camp for potential SL coaches or a SL club that aspire to win trophies then!!
would you rather have a Bennet or Agar!!
HOPE YOU HEARD THAT TOO

Laughable reaction regarding the coach. Sure his bench selection requires attention but he's coached us to five victories this year and we've played some decent rugby league. We failed to cope with the conditions against a torrid Quins side at the weekend. The weekend before players' individual errors cost us the game. Certain things need addressing but we have a couple of players still to join the club and a few to come back from injury. Jumping on the coach and suggesting he might not be up to it after 2 defeats is embarrassing.

Thank christ I am not the only one who sees this!!
"any given battle plan will only survive the first point of contact for a period of time, it is then down to that thought process behind the battle to redirect troops acordingly"
Winston Churchill !!!!!!!!
were not looking to win a war just have a decent plan B when plan A isnt working

selective memory issues!!
think back to the end of last season I recal we were saying EXACTLY the same things, bench issues, playing favourites etc etc
this is not about two games but the last 15 or so

That's whay I have been saying it since day one, so as not to be embarassed. He had been going well, last two games we look inept.

Richard agar running the show whatever next, its like fitting cheap seat covers in a rolls royce

So you were wrong for the first five games and right for the last two. Let the guy coach the team this season and see where we end up.

Totally agree,he was brought in last year, this is his season,it is his team, his selections. Would you have thought he would have won 5 out of the first 7 matches



Yes issues give him chance to address, a fantastic start to the campaign better than any-one on here would have imagined..it is still early days.

Well said!

We have put in one poor performance in bad conditions against a good Quins side for mine. Now if this performance is repeated over the next 3-4 games then there will be an issue without doubt.

Against Cas I thought we played well in an exciting game and in the end INDIVIDUAL errors cost us the game - we could still be sat joint top!

Every team has an off day - Saints at home to rovers, quins at Giants, Giants at home to us, rovers away at Wire, Wire most weeks

ditto Bradford.

My only concern is the over use of certain players and I think fatigue is setting in to some extent. With Easter round the corner these players will have to be rested far more.

Fine, people wnat to give him a full season then crack on, obviously Moz for 15 minutes is fine, as is only having plan a.

My mistake, everything is fine, nothing to see here.

Calm down Dear.

What you and several people who keep calling for Wayne Bennett fail to realise is that he has to actually want to come here.

What I currently see is the typical forum over-reaction to a couple of poor performaces. I'm more than happy to give Agar at least the time he has on his contract to improve us and if he hasn't then he has failed and we should look elsewhere. Either way I'm sick of the constant calling to sack the coach etc we seem to have everytime we have a bad spell. I'd rather let people see a contract out and use the time to find the right man for the job. I wasn't in favour of appointing Agar in the first place but he is here now and constantly calling for him to be sacked etc doesn't help anyone.

You may have been spouting that sh[ii[/ite but I wasn't.

I was saying b[io[/illocks to the season we've been crippled by injury and already lost one coach. I was saying bad luck lads on being just 10 or so minutes away from winning the Challenge Cup. I was saying we needed some new powerful forwards before we knew Carvell would us over and we have signed 2 international players to cover this but they're not here yet (if at all) for reasons beyond Agar's control. I was saying Agar needs a complete new season to mould the team how he wants it and only then should he be judged.

Let's go back to the start of this season. Most people were predicting 6/7/8th finish. They may well be right. But we won our first 5 games so the 'Change your coach every 5 games' brigade remained in the trenches with their heads down. Two below par performances and over the top they come with the usual mix of unsubstantiated cr@p such as "Not experienced enough", "Sharp's running the show" etc. The team and Agar rightly deserve criticism particularly for the Quins defeat but let them attempt to put it right and support the players and coaches in their attempts to do so.
If performances continue to deteriorate and the season doesn't pan out as well as it should THEN the club should take action to remedy it.

As it stands we're 2 points behind the leading team in a league which many people either cannot or will not understand is the closest competition in the modern era. The current coach has had barely a season in charge having for the majority of games in that time hardly a fit 17 to pick from. It's time some people started taking a slightly longer term view than what happened in the last game.

What a stupid response. I have criticised his bench management and selection like most. As for "only having a plan A" that is a phrase which someone used the other day and some others have decided is gospel truth. Truly laughable.