If the club had any sense they could make a lot more money from FC live
A fans forum on FC live would be a good start

Even success we wouldn't get much more than 14k average

Even in 2016 2017 crowds weren't that high really

Compare our crowds to other SL clubs. That's the yardstick.

Aside from 2016 and 2006 (maybe we like playing in years ending in 6) we havent really been consistently good though, they are the only years id turn up for a game and believe we were favourites. If we had consistently good performances like Saints and Wigan we'd get more in.

Sadly lost count of the number of times ive seen new people sit in my block and Hull serve up an absolute disaster. People go home thinking £30 for this??

I won’t cancel my direct as I have committed to the season and think it’s wrong for me to cancel it and receive cheaper tickets for the games I’ve currently been to.

However, next year I’m getting married, I’m currently getting some house work done so right now money is tight. I love FC but right now I’m really struggling to justify getting mine and my partner passes next season.

Paying £50/£60 a month to watch us get whipped most weekends and end up in a sulk. I feel like there will be a lot of fans like me.

The club are really going to have to work on engagement to get me back on board and that has to start ASAP. Not just preseason pass marketing with a bunch of empty buzz words

According to the chairman the West Hull club have lost over 3,000 season pass holders.
How long will the fans accept the “jam tomorrow” sales pitch season upon season?

Totally agree with you on the club needing to work hard and improve on its engagement with its fanbase. It’s been poor for you long and each year gets worse and it used to be a strongpoint but seems much like the playing squad there’s a lack of desire from the club in that aspect.

Didn't know this existed thanks lads

That was for 2021 with pass sales impacted by Covid (we were back in lockdown when they went on sale) this years sales are back at 2020 levels.

Our passholders would struggle to fit in caravan park we'd have to sit in the chavvy chic burger van area.

I assume you are alluding to Hull Kingston Rovers ground Sewell Group Craven Park?
The capacity of that stadium is 12,225. I doubt very much that Hull season pass sales exceed that figure even though some were only £1.
The clubs “ Chavvy burger area” is named Craven Streat Sky sports pundits always mention it on TV.
It looks very entertaining different cuisines, various alcoholic beverages and live bands, the club make a lot of revenue from this area of their stadium.
I believe the City on the West Side reside in a football stadium and make nothing at all from the beverages sold, I am informed your chairman pays a lot of money for the rugby club to play there and you only make a profit after the first so many thousand spectators …….. I’m sure one of your members can confirm the exact tenancy agreement in place.
I don’t think the West side of the City can mock their East side rivals if the only entertainment you can serve up is a game where you kick a rugby ball into the back of a transit van.

Think your way off with the capacity.

Id also hazard a guess the "football stadium" is a ground most players and supporters would like to be at. In fact the away facilities at KR are embarrassing.

Quote ="pmarrow"Think your way off with the capacity. Id also hazard a guess the "football stadium" is a ground most players and supporters would like to be at. In fact the away facilities at KR are embarrassing.'" Appears I’m not “way off with that capacity”. So your pass holders would quiet comfortably fit in. It would likely be empty by half time and would have the atmosphere of a library but you would fit in. https://hullkr.co.uk/stadium-capacity-increased/

Quote ="pmarrow"Think your way off with the capacity. Id also hazard a guess the "football stadium" is a ground most players and supporters would like to be at. In fact the away facilities at KR are embarrassing.'" Appears I’m not “way off with that capacity”. So your pass holders would quiet comfortably fit in. It would likely be empty by half time and would have the atmosphere of a library but you would fit in. https://hullkr.co.uk/stadium-capacity-increased/

Quote ="Billy Brightside"Appears I’m not “way off with that capacity”. So your pass holders would quiet comfortably fit in. It would likely be empty by half time and would have the atmosphere of a library but you would fit in. https://hullkr.co.uk/stadium-capacity-increased/'" You dont have a south stand now.

Quote ="Billy Brightside"Appears I’m not “way off with that capacity”. So your pass holders would quiet comfortably fit in. It would likely be empty by half time and would have the atmosphere of a library but you would fit in. https://hullkr.co.uk/stadium-capacity-increased/'" You dont have a south stand now.

I don’t? Craven Streat is now used as a viewing area whilst fans socialise.
It likely has reduced the capacity but your pass holders would still fit into Sewell Group Craven Park as your original post stated your season pass holders wouldn’t fit into the stadium.

My original post stated nothing of the sort. I dont really have an obsession with Hull KR so had missed the council audit granted.

I love how KR fans think putting up some marquees and pub benches has revolutionised the stadium. I agree it has given extra revenue but it looks ridiculous on TV.

Yes you did you wrote
“ That was for 2021 with pass sales impacted by Covid (we were back in lockdown when they went on sale) this years sales are back at 2020 levels.

Our passholders would struggle to fit in caravan park we'd have to sit in the chavvy chic burger van area.”

There you go….

I apologise it’s was UllFC that stated Hull FC pass holders would not fit in to Sewell Group Craven Park.
Sorry for dragging you into that my mistake.

Getting back to the title of the thread…

Have been a long time lurker on this board, and a contributor years ago to its predecessor(s); however, gave up as it all seemed pointless as the more sensible posters on here generally cover my thoughts.

Like many born into a fishing family on Hessle Road, supporting Hull was a given: it’s a cross we have to bear.

Have had a season pass from when I could first afford one in the late 70’s, and this year was the first time I have seriously considered not renewing it.

The reasons are many, a major one was being forcibly removed from West stand W12 where many of us sat together for years to make way for expanded “family seating” and into the North Stand (the away stand), or face a huge price increase. The fact our old seats - apart from the derby, or when tickets are given away - sit empty just across from us all serves only to increase the bitterness. This was a great thank you for all of us affected allowing the club to keep our money during the Covid season.

So, “Finances and supporting the club”. The above has clearly affected the attitude of all, and has been reflected in the merchandise sales; for a relatively small group, season on season this has not been insignificant.

I see early in this thread we have had the usual Lord Kitchener-esque “your club needs you”, with the implied notion that if we don’t just keep coughing up on passes, merchandise, etc we will be directly responsible should the club fail.

In my humble opinion, this is disingenuous to say the least. Does the ownership therefore take no responsibility for the state the club is in, and it is simply because the fan base don’t empty their pockets often enough? Hull FC has been criminally mismanaged for a long time now, and each latest disaster is glossed over with further jam tomorrow promises that play on the wish fulfilment fantasies of the paying fan.

For me, this ran out some time ago. I still have a pass only because my fellow ex-W12ers renewed, having given up on any notion of entertainment or pleasure at the MKM/KCom in 2018.

A word that apparently does not apply at Hull FC looms large - Accountability.

It is quite rightly being applied to a playing group (note - not a team) who are the most pathetic and spineless in the competition, but it MUST begin with the ownership.

I know there is no queue of investors or potential alternative owners, but Adam Pearson has made some catastrophic decisions during his tenure, and seemingly has not learned from them at all. Most glaringly, the fact that Tony Smith is the first genuine, time-served rugby league man to be involved outside of coaching during APs tenure (should his de facto director of rugby position be correct) is damning.

I don’t have an answer, none of us (realists) do, but “here’s more of the same, open your wallet” simply will not wash anymore.

I will always be a Hull FC fan, I have no choice. But my days of Stockholm Syndrome are over; and asking around, I’m not alone.

Excellent post. I agree wholeheartedly.

A great post and analogy which if being honest is likely to be a common feeling throughout a large number of the clubs fanbase.

Added to the fact the the club and AP himself for sometime now only seem to want to communicate with its fanbase when the begging bowl is out. The club for some reason seems to have disconnected itself from the life blood of the club and I can't remember a time that this club and its fans have been so far apart.

I think AP has done so much to try and bring this club back to being one of the greats in RL and will always be thankful for that but and its a big BUT he has also created a club that lacks passion, commitment and accountability from the top to the bottom.

Great post, I sometimes find it baffling how some people are so ignorant to some of the mistakes AP has made. Constantly going cap in hand to us loyal supporters and what do we get for it? Zero Communication, Kept in the dark on contract situations, no fans forums. I may of spoken about this previously, but last year me and a member of Hull's marketing team spoke about how the atmosphere can be improved at the MKM, we spoke about ideas and I gave him contact details for us to speak further, I haven't heard anything back from them since.

For roughly four years pretty much all rugby decisions, from retention & recruitment was overseen and negotiated by a man who's previous position was marketing and announcing the team sheets on matchday. No real rugby knowledge and years of giving ridiculous deals to his mates now see us in a genuine relegation battle. I have always felt, even when doing well in 2016/17, we were incredibly light in terms of the hierarchy, people expected to handle ridiculous amounts of work, which for all the hate the DJ gets, I cannot fault his work ethic. The point is that he shouldn't of been in the role in the first place. Everyone has some blame for our current situation, but I believe most of it is on AP's shoulders. My worry is that he's now in too deep, I wouldn't be surprised if he has turned down investment purely because of his self-pride, which will only continue to damage our club further.

I agree with the previous posts, I don't think Clarky is right for the position he is in.

Saints have Mike Rush, Wigan have Radlinski, Warrington have Fitzpatrick. They are rugby people. We have an ex DJ, and pitch announcer. With AP confirming that Smith will have that role now fills me with some hope, but its going to take a few years to reverse the issues.

The lack of communication from the club is shocking to be honest. To find out that Brown and Sao actually are contracted until next year is baffling to be honest. The contract extensions to Shaul (never announced), and Houghton (wasn't announced by the club if I recall) again is shocking.

In terms of the matchday experience, we were told this was going to change, improve. We still have Great Balls of Fire, still have Boot It....nothing changes, it is stale, old and boring. To get 15k against Cas, and then 17k Hull fans to the Derby, the club deserve to give us more - communication, enjoyment, and a sense of belonging to the club, which I think we all feel is lacking these days.

Houghton was announced in an almost embarassed way as the way it was worded makes us beleive he decided to take up his extra year, which is crazy no player should have that power even one that has played so many times for us.

Also agree about the matchday experience, changing the music playlist costs nothing, though for me the sound was too loud before the Derby, impossible for any atmosphere to build.

I remember one game many moons ago under the Hetheringtons were simply giving out thousands of flags on a sunny afternoon geed the crowd up and helped the team get over the line. We dont seem to try anything different anymore.

I know people criticised the hetheringtons, and rightly so at times, but the match day experience (and atmosphere) was far better between 2003-2010 ish than it is these days, feels like these days it's a case of turn up, order a beer, watch the rugby, get disappointed again, go home thinking of what else you could have done with your day...Leigh are setting the standard this season of what a match day experience should be like. Toulouse last year was the best pre / post game experience I've been to.