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| In business you often have to speculate to accumulate. For me if we brought a top coach in and paid them £200K a year it wouldn't matter as long as they were doing the job well and bringing success on the field. If they do, then it is money well spent as the income generated by success on the pitch such as increases in attendances, sponsorship, club merchandising etc would out weigh the initial outlay.
For me Agar being head coach is damaging to the club regardless how much he is getting paid (even if he was doing it for free) the issue for me is the longer he stays in the job the more damage is done and the longer it takes to get back on track.
Quality coaches are worth the money, substandard coaches are not.
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| Quote ="Isaiah"Were did I say our board do not have good business sense?
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A board with any good business sense would." which implied that because you think that the board are cheapos because they employ agar and not an expensive coach
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| Haven't some posters, allegedly more privvy to info than me, claimed Rule doesn't think the coach is that important?
If so why would the board believe spending more cash on a coach be 'spending to accumulate'?
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"A board with any good business sense would." which implied that because you think that the board are cheapos because they employ agar and not an expensive coach
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You really are damp in the loft aren't you.
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| Quote ="Isaiah"You really are damp in the loft aren't you.'"
no just quoting your garbage
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I agree and if I was in chrge then a better coach would be my first priority.
But my point is I don't think it's this boards.
So boycotting the matches will effect the playing squad.'"
True, although you could argue that if the board isn't doing all it safely can to allow us to compete for trophies then what does it matter if the playing squad declines a bit further? It's not as if we need to worry about having to stay in the division.
Re what James Rule said about not needing a good coach, I've heard it from too many different people for it not to be true, he's pretty open about it from what I gather. It's part of the reason I think he's another one that's been promoted one step above his natural position, obviously a good marketer and decent businessman but he's got far less idea about RL than the average fan.
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| I don't know what a ceo's role is inside a rl club tbh, they certainly shouldn't be in charge of recruitment.
I'd imagine the appointment of the coach is the board?
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| Quote ="PAC""end of the year you would expect to pass the 10K average? No poop Sherlock.
Lol i would expect fc to pass 12k average even with Agar !
penny drop quicker if fc fans boycott pass next year,wow if this carries on past a month its gunna be very very interesting but in all honesty it wont get anywhere near the season end before action is taken,just my opinion of course.'"
Of course we will get more than 10000 Watson!! Its elementary
However I was replying to a thread regarding a mentioned boycott,and merely stating that with 9000 passholders regularly attending, and high attendance games such as Quins,Crusaders,Wakey, Catalans etc to come,all teams who bring no support,It will probably be The Home Derby that will boost our avarage up significantly,Not walk up FC fans from the other fixtures.
Also you state it won't last all year,Why won't it? Agar is contracted and the board have done nothing but back him,If and it is a Big If, the season shudders along as is do you not think people not buying season passes will force the Board to try and Attract supporters, instead of us queing up to give them our money.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"They havnt anounced the number of pass sales as they will be well down on last season. And that is no suprise really,'"
They will be down on last season whatever they sold well over 100 last year after the season had started.
what is interesting is the fact that perhaps some season ticket holders won't be going I know a couple who are not!
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"They will be down on last season whatever they sold well over 100 last year after the season had started.
what is interesting is the fact that perhaps some season ticket holders [uwon't be going I know a couple who are not[/u!'"
So do I Wilf, and if I be honest if it is raining at the next home game I may not go and I am a season pass holder.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"So do I Wilf, and if I be honest if it is raining at the next home game I may not go and I am a season pass holder.'"
If there had been a season pass refund window at the KC on Friday night there would have been a long long queue there after the game and I'd have been in it!
Actually that's a quote from my mate Mel who said that as we were walking out.
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"So do I Wilf, and if I be honest if it is raining at the next home game I may not go and I am a season pass holder.'" same here my son was freezing last week,if its as cold as last week or raining im not going either
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| Quote ="Chris71"In business you often have to speculate to accumulate. For me if we brought a top coach in and paid them £200K a year it wouldn't matter as long as they were doing the job well and bringing success on the field. If they do, then it is money well spent as the income generated by success on the pitch such as increases in attendances, sponsorship, club merchandising etc would out weigh the initial outlay.
For me Agar being head coach is damaging to the club regardless how much he is getting paid (even if he was doing it for free) the issue for me is the longer he stays in the job the more damage is done and the longer it takes to get back on track.
Quality coaches are worth the money, substandard coaches are not.'"
The exact same philosophy i use in business, speculate to accumulate.
Totally agree with what you are saying and ateotd, thats what the club should do. Players careers are suffering playing under an amateur coach. My love for the club dwindled years ago under this regime, my love for the team is a different matter but even i cannot bring myself to watch them at the moment whilst there is too much influence on the team coming from the club itself. The season pass will probably stay in the kitchen drawer until Agar goes but by then i may be in a position whereby i get used to not attending games anymore, that after 37 years of support.
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| Quote ="Standee"Good, we have paid transfer fees for no reason.
And as for cheaper than Agar, a few people posting on here seem as clueless, some may even appreciate having some self-perceived power.'"
Serious question & I hope someone tell me. What is 'cheap' with regard to the salary that a super league head coach is paid? I expect many will have different values. I have no idea what Richard Agar is earning but on many occasions people have inferred that he is/was the 'cheap' option & I have understood that to mean that the club/organisation have not paid him a big salary.
What nowadays can a good heach coach earn or be expected to earn & what can a middle of the road head coach expect to earn in super league? I have already stated that I have no idea but I would be interested to know.
I would appreciate an insight as to what others understand to be the 'going rate' for a head coach. Then I may be able form a clearer picture of those who manage the club.
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| Quote ="Ivanhoe"Serious question & I hope someone tell me. What is 'cheap' with regard to the salary that a super league head coach is paid? I expect many will have different values. I have no idea what Richard Agar is earning but on many occasions people have inferred that he is/was the 'cheap' option & I have understood that to mean that the club/organisation have not paid him a big salary.
What nowadays can a good heach coach earn or be expected to earn & what can a middle of the road head coach expect to earn in super league? I have already stated that I have no idea but I would be interested to know.
I would appreciate an insight as to what others understand to be the 'going rate' for a head coach. Then I may be able form a clearer picture of those who manage the club.'"
There are three full time coaches in the Championship that earn £45,000+, one in particular who is well over that when you add in his Audi and petrol money.
I would imagine that the lower end SL coaches are on similar money to those three high earners in the Championship.
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| Quote ="JMSports_Ltd"There are three full time coaches in the Championship that earn £45,000+, one in particular who is well over that when you add in his Audi and petrol money.
I would imagine that the lower end SL coaches are on similar money to those three high earners in the Championship.'"
Thanks. Appreciated.
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| Quote ="JMSports_Ltd"There are three full time coaches in the Championship that earn £45,000+, one in particular who is well over that when you add in his Audi and petrol money.
I would imagine that the lower end SL coaches are on similar money to those three high earners in the Championship.'"
Thanks. Appreciated.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"They havnt anounced the number of pass sales as they will be well down on last season. And that is no suprise really,'"
And I do believe even in these bad times. were some are struggling they would have pushed to buy a pass if we were giving great entertainment every week but we have rolled over from last season when it was so dire at times.
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Quote ="JMSports_Ltd"There are three full time coaches in the Championship that earn £45,000+, one in particular who is well over that when you add in his Audi and petrol money.
I would imagine that the lower end SL coaches are on similar money to those three high earners in the Championship.'"
Then, compare to the alleged salary of the Storm's Craig Bellamy
of $800,000 a season.
www.zerotackle.com.au/rugby-league/nrl/coaches/
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Quote ="JMSports_Ltd"There are three full time coaches in the Championship that earn £45,000+, one in particular who is well over that when you add in his Audi and petrol money.
I would imagine that the lower end SL coaches are on similar money to those three high earners in the Championship.'"
Then, compare to the alleged salary of the Storm's Craig Bellamy
of $800,000 a season.
www.zerotackle.com.au/rugby-league/nrl/coaches/
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| however the reality is that no one knows for sure , its all guesswork what they earn
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| Quote ="ICECREAMMAN"however the reality is that no one knows for sure , its all guesswork what they earn'"
I know exactly what one of those three Championship coaches earn and it was him who told me the other two are on similar money.
It wasnt hard finding out what a SL coach was earning on Sunday either but that wont be getting quoted on here
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| Quote ="Andrea FC"same here my son was freezing last week,if its as cold as last week or raining im not going either
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just had this conversation with the kids, they thought we was at home this week, when i told them it was Huddersfield away, the said, were not going are we??? they said its boring, and the next time were at home do they have to go!!! season ticket holders, and them 2 want to see if i can get the money back!!!
Rugby to them has become boring, and just something i drag them along to, which is such a shame because they did enjoy going (which, come a winning streak, they will again, fickle kids ) just hope the season gets back on track, sooner the better!!
Against Cru, i do think if the weathers bad, i will probably give it a miss
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| Quote ="westjba"just had this conversation with the kids, they thought we was at home this week, when i told them it was Huddersfield away, the said, were not going are we??? they said its boring, and the next time were at home do they have to go!!! season ticket holders, and them 2 want to see if i can get the money back!!!
Rugby to them has become boring, and just something i drag them along to, which is such a shame because they did enjoy going (which, come a winning streak, they will again, fickle kids
) just hope the season gets back on track, sooner the better!!
Against Cru, i do think if the weathers bad, i will probably give it a miss
'" more or less same story here,im really not fickle but in all honesty the rugby is boring,the atmosphere is awful,its bloody freezing and im gutted we feel like this
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