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| Quote ="withernsea zebra"Your political intellect would be sorely missed!
Please stay?'"
On what grounds do you base this comment?
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So rather than actually learning to read in school you chose to gain 'political intellect'??
Glad we cleared that up..
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So rather than actually learning to read in school you chose to gain 'political intellect'??
Glad we cleared that up..
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"So rather than actually learning to read in school you chose to gain 'political intellect'??
Glad we cleared that up..
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Did you manage a FAIL in both?
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| Quote ="Holty"The Labour party didn't tell the banks to lend money they wasn't going to get back!'" But they didn't tell the banks not to when they knew it was going on either!
Brown admitted it in not so many words.
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| Amazing the number of folk who have been completely suckered by the current Governments spin and misdirection.
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Exactly, it's a good system in theory but as it now gets heavily abused they spoil it for everyone and it gets scrapped.. No i'm not proud to have a system =#0080FFwhere everyone around the world gets to come and live in luxury for free while i pay extortionate amounts of tax and get F-ALL back!!'"
Deary me. Are there any other urban myths you'd like to post on here?
And if you think that we should scrap the welfare system, what would you replace it with? Workhouses? Or just leave folk to starve on the streets?
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| Quote ="Standee"no, but pumping money we didn't have into creating public sector roles to give the illusion of a higher %ge of employed people was.
as was changing the education system to give people false degrees from questionable institutions.
as was changing corporation tax rules forcing companies to base their operations elsewhere.
as was selling our gold reserves at a record low of the market
as was engaging in two illegal and immoral wars to keep the "special relationship" with USA
do you want me to go on, or is it all still Thatchers fault in your household?'"
Before the banking crisis hit, Labour were spending roughly the same as the previous Tory government.
The gold thing has been dismissed as largely irrelevant by economists.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Amazing the number of folk who have been completely suckered by the current Governments spin and misdirection.'"
I'm not basing any of my points on anything that the new government have done/said... Just my own opinions/observations!!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"I'm not basing any of my points on anything that the new government have done/said... Just my own opinions/observations!!'"
Then you might want to do a little investigating and find out what the facts are, because you've been way wide of the mark on just about everything.
And no - I'm not a Labour voter before you ask.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Before the banking crisis hit, Labour were spending roughly the same as the previous Tory government.
The gold thing has been dismissed as largely irrelevant by economists.'"
2 Billion pounds loss irrellevant !!!!!!
You are an ex Gordon Brown advisor and I claim my £5
I don't know about being suckered in by the spin from the present government,I'm surprised at how many are still suckered in by the last lot.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Amazing the number of folk who have been completely suckered by the current Governments spin and misdirection.'"
Nail, hammer and head come to mind.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Amazing the number of folk who have been completely suckered by the current Governments spin and misdirection.'"
....or even the last ones
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| Quote ="Kosh"Then you might want to do a little investigating and find out what the facts are, because you've been way wide of the mark on just about everything.
And no - I'm not a Labour voter before you ask.'"
Right, so i haven't paid more tax year on year, and people haven't been cheating the benefit system and living the dream off taxpayers??
Sorry if i was WAY OFF but you're wrong!!!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Right, so i haven't paid more tax year on year, and people haven't been cheating the benefit system and living the dream off taxpayers??
Sorry if i was WAY OFF but you're wrong!!!'"
You're seriously over exaggerating this whole benefit cheats argument.
Yes, its a problem, but it always has been and always will be.
What you seem to be advocating is throwing the most vulnerable in society on the street just so there's no system to cheat.
I have a daughter that has Cerebral Palsy, without the system that exists, god knows what me and my partner would of done.
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| Quote ="FC DAZE"2 Billion pounds loss irrellevant !!!!!!'"
Go read up on it.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"....or even the last ones
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You would have thought people would have learned, wouldn't you?
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Right, so i haven't paid more tax year on year, and people haven't been cheating the benefit system and living the dream off taxpayers??
Sorry if i was WAY OFF but you're wrong!!!'"
How much less tax are you paying now? For more or fewer public services?
People will always cheat. The amount lost through the benefits system is peanuts compared to the amount lost through tax avoidance and evasion. Somehow that never seems to generate as much bile.
You forgot to tell us what your alternative to having a welfare system is. I'd be interested to know if you have one that doesn't involve people dying.
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"icon_lol.gif Now that i agree with, it is opinions at the end of the day and that's why there's a vote... the majority opinion wins!!
All i know is, since Labour came to power, i've earned less and less and i've seen undeserving people get more and more off the back of my tax payments etc....
IMO The benefits system shouldn't be and never should've been put into place!! If you don't work, you don't get paid. If you have kids you can't afford to have, then tough.. This is the first area that needs changing, before redundancies!!!'"
What about IB claimants? Until I had to "go on the sick" as so many people like to call it, I had a full time job, worked a part-time job on a Saturday morning then worked on the turnstiles at the Boulevard on a Sunday. I now don't work because of my condition, I'm not lazy, I would love to be fit enough to be able to do those jobs again, but it will never happen, but in your eyes I shouldn't get anything even though I didn't chose to give up my jobs and paid tax on each of my jobs
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"You're seriously over exaggerating this whole benefit cheats argument.
Yes, its a problem, but it always has been and always will be.
What you seem to be advocating is throwing the most vulnerable in society on the street just so there's no system to cheat.
I have a daughter that has Cerebral Palsy, without the system that exists, god knows what me and my partner would of done.'"
No, you're just generalising my comment into one place (i maybe did that myself without explaining properly).
I don't go into this 'Jobseekers' balls: If you don't have a job, you don't get paid. A system should be: X years of work or X amounts of £s of payments to the tax system before you are elible for any kind of benefit.
My exception would be people, in your case, who have disabled children who CANNOT live a full life for themselves. You daughter obviously needs your complete attention and care and you and her should be compensated approriately. This care could and should be much greater perhaps when you get the social parasites off the system, this can only be guaranteed by having it policed properly and scrapping the money sapping side of the system!!
It simply winds me up that i have and will continue to pay tax and N.I and will never see any of it back.
I would also happily (though no doubt i won't be popular on here) scrap the NHS system which loses money hand over fist and go private. If people were forced to pay for private healthcare they wouldn't go to A&E for a stubbed toe or paper cut!!
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| Quote ="Kosh"The amount lost through the benefits system is peanuts compared to the amount lost through tax avoidance and evasion. '"
Particularly when you bear in mind that literally billions of pounds worth of benefits to which people are properly entitled go unclaimed every year, which probably offsets most of what is claimed by those who are not entitled.
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