where have I changed my tune, I just don't understand why he is "lucky", Agar, Webster and Last are all a lot luckier, they are proven failiures, at least Long hasn't screwed a young players career up, yet.

agar been given a job for life and freedom of the city

There was no respect for sean long as he used to play tricks on people and never went through with his promise to build that gypsey site so they never offered him the head coach role

Fair point

....I apologise.

Not on the change yet Jake

I think your doctor may have other ideas about that

Only 4 minutes in but Adam says they're looking at season pass prices.

Jimmys put some serious weight onto his face too, looking very round!

Probably has

If Rule came in looking like that and worked for me his ar$e wouldn't hit the floor on the way out, no pride in his personal appearance.

On the first point, I would say that his ability will be an asset, as it is clear from the way he played that he has an excellent understanding of the game.

On the second, I just don't see how his professionalism in one career should necessarily affect his professionalism in another. As others have said, he's older now and appears bright enough to know that there are things he has gotten away with to a certain extent that he wouldn't as a coach (great example, Ian Millward. Do you reckon there wasn't a single Wigan player doinking a cheerleader?). People often behave according to the limits available to them. That's why I don't think he's lucky to be given a chance, he will only be lucky if he misbehaves as a coach and it is overlooked then.

It is all about respect, Kearney had it in bagfulls because of the way he conducted his playing career, a role model professional. Who respects a player whose exploits are well publicised like Longys, too many to list.
I personally do not think Longy has grown up his public spats on his twitter feed defending Gleeson do not portray a mature adult tbh.
Not sure what your point is about the Milward comment, Milward was the coach, the role model. I would expect players do get off with cheerleaders but they are not the role models who are supposed to lead by example.

You don't talk rubbish , your saying a player that has won the lance todd trophy , challenge cup and super leagues would not be respected ! You need characters in the game

why would hull fc want shaun edwards ?? even wigan don't want him as there coach nxt season

As a player he is respected....As a coach how do you reckon he would handle a player likje Tansey when he is on the lash, and what do you think a player like Tansey would think ?

he'd say.... it your round Tansey!!

Exactly!

I think you're contradicting yourself now. Earlier you were saying Long was not a good role model. Now you seem to be saying players are not supposed to be role models.

I'd say Longy would be the best person in the game to deal with someone like that actually.

Someone like Kearney never experienced that side of the game and was always the role model, Longy knows he screwed up, and so is best placed to offer advice to Tansey about how to improve himself as a person and knuckle down.

Not sure I did tbh...I am not sure what was even meant about the Milward point as I pointed out, he was married wasn't he. What is wrong with a player getting off with a cheerleader ? (as long as they are old enough of course), and the player is not married

Maybe....but I personally am not convinced. I am sure although Kearney was a role model he certainly would have experienced that side of the game with some of the players he played with.

This is what you said Martha on Long's retirement thread:

Betting scandal, drinking exploits (the one where he broke into some-ones house and went to bed was particularly amusing )...drunk whilst playing in big games....leaving the International team high & dry and coming home....Are just a few, there are many more.
The most amusing one for me was when Nobby laid on Longy bed which Longy had peed after been on the lash

Hence why I would label Longy a character of the game and not particularly a legend, hardly a role model was he.

Not sure what your point is here...please elaborate.

My point is are you saying players are supposed to be role models (and Long was not a good one) or are you saying players are not expected to be role models?

Is this the rumours thread or the bickering thread?

You miss-understood the Cheerleader comment, the coach is the role model who is the one who sets the examples in the team.
If a player got off with a cheerleader (she was right age, he was not married) no it would not be a problem, he is not the married coach who is the role model for the team/club.
However the only thing Longy had done in his career was to get off with a cheerleader this discussion would not even be taking place!....Longy is remembered more for his off filed antics as he is for those on...He is a poor role model for the sport off the field.

Didnt Kearney fall from a balcony whilst drunk on the 1993 Kiwi tour?