Thanks Kosh, and we all know Knockers, comprehension is much better than mine.

What because we both don't think Radfords up to the job, theirs plenty I don't agree with Knocker on, I just tend not to comment and try ripping him to bits for his opinion, theirs plenty on here waiting to do that, and he does often have a valid point

No but you try to rip to bits anybody who has the slightest good thing to say and who's opinion differs from yours

Why oh why does every thread on this board seem to end up descending into childish bickering?

On the subject of Dean getting a chance, it's a tough call. Personally I'd like to see him and other youngsters get their chance this week. That said, we are currently on a three game losing streak so I can understand why Radford may not want to take that chance.

Plus he may want to see what the players response is like after the players meeting.

And having made public the players meeting , which apparently generally leads to players who were picked out by the rest of the team for not performing etc being dropped , it will then ignite further speculation into exactly why those players had been singled out and what they'd been doing/not doing even if any change is just a decision to give some one a rest , let them find some confidence in the reserves/19's etc. That could be more damaging. Stick with the same squad apart from those that are injured I think will be the way he'll have to go.

Sorry doc your quite right

I got told yesterday by someone who know Deans Dad and he said Kr have offered him 35k a year.

Whether its right or not I couldnt say but it does seem a lot of money.

... I thought he was still under contract?

a lot for a championship player!

Wouldn't surprise me, rumour is they are paying the young winger they signed from wakey a similar amount. Probably much better value in the long run than journeymen aussies or top 4 cast offs for 3 times the money

Your right there Chris.Just who are the players pointing the finger at and who do you drop as non performing
Talanoa he is out anyway
Manu for missing too many tackles
Minichello missing tackles
Watts for not been as effective as last season
Ellis for conceding too many penalties out of frustration
Washbrook ineffective
Thompson ineffective
Sneyd Poor
Tiumavave Poor
Shaul for dropping a high ball leading to a try
Logan for continually jumping the line
Abdul not fit enough,needs game time

I would stick with the same squad with Naughton in for Talanoa and minimal other changes

Judging by Cooke's article the focus would have been on players deemed to have not been working hard enough rather than genuine mistakes. The players themselves will know who they are far better than we can judge.

Cookie's theory suggests it was all down to Abdul then unless Feka and Green come in for two of the forwards that played at Widnes. Perm any two from about 7!

As has already been suggested, it is certainly no secret around East Hull that Reece Dean has had at least one meeting with Jamie Peacock with regard to next season.

I've never seen him play but if Radford doesn't fancy him, Rovers definitely do!

Losing dean to the bin dippers would come back to bite us in the same way letting them have josh hodgson did.

Interesting one about Dean. Leeds pay Lilley and Sutcliffe £32k in total, so if Rovers are offering just Dean £35k it's easy to see his head being turned. Him and HTW, whom I think has been picked for England before are the same age. Perhaps we only think one homegrown half is realistic? We've also got the likes of Turgut and Lancaster to retain, and I guess we can't keep everyone and choices need to be made. If he thinks he'll be getting first team rugby over there, then good luck to him. Precedents aren't that compelling; I recall Beharrell scapegoated in the record 84-6 defeat by Wigan - did he ever play again for them?

Watts and westerman also played together in same junior teams at lock lane in cas - so guess always likely to be more cas lads off to Warrington rumours. No idea if any truth in it

I heard that interview with BM and I could imagine Lilley being on 16K but it seems light for Sutcliffe who's played a fair bit of SL. When you hear about wages like that it comes as no real surprise that kids aren't been drawn to the bright lights of RL.

I don't think Beharrell was 'scapegoated' by anyone for the Wigan defeat, I don't think anyone was. He never really kicked on from that performance and was just stuck behind Dobson and Burns who missed very few games. Suppose the fact that he's not been snapped up by the big boys anytime since speaks volumes that maybe he just wasn't good enough.

Going on recent history our home grown half back is getting a fair bit of first team rugby, probably more due to having a pair of shot 1st team ones, but still he's playing when fit.

haven't Leeds always had a more balanced wage bill with greater win bonuses?

Spot on. Wages at Headingley are actually very modest. There is no one on a huge salary and there is a very structured set up with players only climbing up the ladder once Hetherington believes they deserve it...no demanding of increases over there!

That being said, players WANT to play for Leeds. They know that they have the chance of winning silverwear and they have a fantastic set up. This is why the biggest signing for KR last year was Peacock, and I said at the time that the behind the scenes knowledge that he will bring to KR will be invaluable in the long run.

This is something that gets aired a fair bit and to be honest I don't really understand it. Surely knowing the length of an RL career (and sometimes extremely shortened) then a world class player like say Sinfield or Peacock would be able to demand a very high salary, now I get that Leeds win things and its a very good shop window, but paying the bills and setting up for the future must come into it.

I've heard the same said of Wigan, which is fine but the likes of Farrell must be looking at the wage Tomkins is supposedly on and wonder if he's worth that much more than him.

A lot of the philosophy at Leeds was instigated by Sinfield himself. He basically said, we can all move elsewhere and earn better money, but if we take a small hit to our earning potential, we can stay together, win a load of trophies and create a legacy. I believe his parents were socialists, which explains his idea somewhat.

Obviously this worked, but there were players that left along the way that didn't fully buy into it, like Calderwood & Diskin.

The Leeds club are also incredibly good at making sure their players are skilled for when their careers end. It is part of their contract that for those players without young families, must dedicate time in their week to either education or some sort of work experience. I recently spoke to Jordan Lilley about this as he is working with Alex Simmons in events.

Peacock obviously gained his Masters too, and Burrow I believe trained as a sports masseur.

Again, spot on. Sinny also gained his degree whilst at Leeds and as you say, they are very big on preparing the players for life after RL.

Contrary to popular belief, Sinny took a pay cut to play Union at Carnegie. He'd always wanted a crack in the other code and when the chance came he took it because he knew he didn't want to play at any other RL club even though he could've got a contract pretty much anywhere.

Its a great philosophy and obviously worked for Leeds, I suppose its a lot harder for clubs that aren't classed as champion challenging teams to get to that position. The lure of 'instant' better rugby, higher profile and ultimately higher wages will always draw them away. Suppose Leeds is also a more attractive proposition from a living there point of view than Hull.

Will be interesting to see if Mr Peacock tries to implement that with my team and also how easy he finds this in a less successful regime.