The highlighted is where I feel our squad falls well short of the required standard to be top 4. We also lack real impact at prop, although Lauaki should address that (and Moa if he gets fit enough).

And of course the coaching is sub-standard.

At the start of the season I had us down as finishing somewhere between 7 and 9 in the table. I haven't seen anything to persuade me that will be far wrong TBH, although the tightness of the competition this season makes it difficult to be certain.

So after playing 5/6 teams out of 13 they're right to believe they're the 4th best (at least) team in the league despite a losing streak of 6 games? I'm glad Rovers players are coming out with this garbage...

So the players are aiming high? What would you want Thorman to say?!?!?

Anyway didnt Dobson say Rovers are going to Wembley this year in the HDM last week....

Would you rather Thorman say? You have to aim high and the players are doing exactly that.

Morgan reckons Rovers can win the GF, Dobson reckons Rovers can win the CC. Are you not going to have a go about their comments?

No.

Come on ,any FC fan or general League fan who can read and has watched the game for a few years can see that Hull's squad and coaching team are , as they stand , way off being good enough to challenge for anything this year despite the way the table is shaping up. SL has gone backwards in terms of quality this year but still only a few teams have squads that are capable of sustaining performances that will win enough games to challenge for silverware. It pains me to say it but KR are probably one of them , with Sts , Leeds and Wigan being the others. Wire could be very good but they just never seem to gel and Wakey are a credit to all involved with them. Our squad man for man though against most teams in SL is probably only equal to the likes of Wakey and Salford and we as fans and perhaps the players seem to have unrealistic expectations , not aspiration but expectations ,way above that. Until we start to play with the enthusiasm required of an ordinary team or until the club make more astute signings then we will continue to have more of the same. James Rule said on KCFM that we generally get the players we go for. I think if that's the case notwithstanding the Crocker situation then the choices made by the people responsible look very questionable.

Couldn't agree more.

Yup, the biggest problem is that any chain is only as strong as it's weakest links, the FC chain has a failed SL head coach and a clueless former assistant at the helm, we don't need to look much further than that for the answers.

Spot on !!! I'm sick of listening to JR telling us that we make great signings, we have a quality squad, it's only injuries that prevent us from being up there blah..blah blah..

Just a quick glance at our squad will tell you that we have some quality in there but we also have way too much mediocrity. Our squad is capable of competing for a play-off place because the current SL table is very tight but if the end-of-season SL table were to reflect the overall quality of each individual squad and the abilities of the coaches, we would certainly be below halfway.

I agree about either making the quality signings required of a top two side or accepting our mediorcity and playing accordingly with enthusiasm and a relevant gameplan.

So in a nutshell Chris Thorman should not have said what he did in the HDM then?

No, but spreading negativity to not only the players, but to all the fans is hardly going to help is it?

Thorman has stated a positive and confident message, and I dont know about you but that's what I want to read about!

Ah right, lets try and experiment.

"Agar is a top class coach and has full control of all team matters, including, but note restricted to, team selection, set plays, recruitment and player retention"

Hmmm, I've read it five times and I still don't believe it.

Not for me. I want to read the truth, whether it's good or bad. Calders stood up and told us it straight.

I know, some people are feckin unbelievable

thats what i mean about arrogant rovers fans

Mo one has a right to be anywhere. rovers have been pretty lucky with injuries so far this season. If you lost dobson and galea, say, for a couple of months you'd struggle

Or Vella or Fozzard or Walker or Cockayne or Lovegrove ....oh hang on

Other than vella they're hardly top class though are they

I agree you can't replace class players like Dobson and Galea, but I wouldn't say we've been lucky with injuries. Starting the season with an injured Cooke and losing 3 starting props from our rotation is hardly being lucky with injuries. Granted, things could be a lot worse but we have a good squad to deal with it. I just don't think Hull FC have strength in depth to be a top 4 side.

I don't think Hull FC have a 1st choice starting 17 to be a top 4 side irrespective of injuries, likewise I don't think rovers have if everyone at every club was fit

But you're making a statement about someone in particular, he was stating a collective belief in the squad.

Very much so. Recruitment and retention in recent years has resulted in what we have today - an average mid table squad. The next round of recruitment is critical - have we learned from our mistakes or not ?

A player give his opinion and some people have a go ..so some are saying its only they opinion that counts

In the first 5 games of the season we were showing some good signs of improvements ..In my opinion if the team can find a bit or form we can win a few more games and possible go on a winning run.. and I do think we could finish in the top 4 like all sport you need that bit of luck ..just because some body has an opinion different to yourself doesn't make them a crazy person ..to me it say that person has a mind of his own