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| Quote ="Airlie Street"Well said.
Even easier, take a sponsorship deal which pays money and use the money to make video refs available at each game and pay for 2nd on field referees.'"
Now stop being sensible, you know its the RFL and sense/logic is not something in the filing cabinets at Red Hall.
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| Quote ="Airlie Street"The nature of refereeing in our games is so inconsistent that it is quite easy to look back through the game and find a decision that goes against you, however making a reasoned case for this being the reason for defeat would be much harder.
Hull probably have had the best case for this all season with the incidents on Saturday, even then you can point to the awful defending at the end which gave Rovers the 4 points which ultimately cost them the game.
Rovers were unfairly helped into that position by the referee, but once that had happened Hull should have completed their set's and defended as a team, they didn't and they lost.
Only if the forward Dobson try was the one which won them the game in the last minute, would Hull be able to complain the referee actually cost them the game, as it was the wrong decision and they wouldn't have had the chance to reply.'"
I would defy any team to defend the number of sets we had too in that second half due to the totally un-warrented penalty count.
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| Quote ="VerbalKint"I would defy any team to defend the number of sets we had too in that second half due to the totally un-warrented penalty count.'"
While I agree with you, no side can go through 46 minutes (last penalty to FC was on 34 minutes) without conceding a single penalty, especially in a derby game and on a hot day. That is not the reason Jordan Turner shot out of the line and missed his tackle.
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| Quote ="Airlie Street"While I agree with you, no side can go through 46 minutes (last penalty to FC was on 34 minutes) without conceding a single penalty, especially in a derby game and on a hot day. That is not the reason Jordan Turner shot out of the line and missed his tackle.'"
Why not? Teams have gone 80mins without giving a penalty away
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| What you're saying is you can't conceive the possibility of a team playing for just over half a game without cheating in some way?
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| In the Good Friday game back in 2009 at the KC, the only penalty Rovers got all game was in the 1st minute when Tickle put the kick off into the North Stand.
79 mins & 50 seconds without a penalty and we still won.
Oh, by the way, Ganson was ref that day too.
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| Quote ="SirStan"In the Good Friday game back in 2009 at the KC, the only penalty Rovers got all game was in the 1st minute when Tickle put the kick off into the North Stand.
79 mins & 50 seconds without a penalty and we still won.
Oh, by the way, Ganson was ref that day too.'"
That's terrible. I bet you all called him some names didn't you.
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| Quote ="MOT"Why not? Teams have gone 80mins without giving a penalty away'"
I maybe should have phrased it differently, of course it's not impossible, it's just highly unlikely and certainly a massive turn around in discipline from the first 34 minutes.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"That's terrible. I bet you all called him some names didn't you.'"
Funnily enough no. We saved our name calling for 3 days later when Thaler came to town on Easter Monday and assisted Huddersfield to a huge win. Morgan copped a fine after that particular rant. Thaler is to Rovers as Ganson is to Hull.
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| Quote ="EL CAMO"What you're saying is you can't conceive the possibility of a team playing for just over half a game without cheating in some way?'"
Cheating has nothing to do with it, most penalties are lazy, careless or caused by fatigue.
Rover's were not square at the POTB a few times and and offside a few more, this wasn't them trying to cheat, just caught out by the opposition, needless to say none were given.
As I've said before I'm not blaming Ganson for the defeat, he certainly helped Rovers, but he didn't score their tries our miss our tackles, that's where the game was lost.
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| Quote ="SirStan"Funnily enough no. We saved our name calling for 3 days later when Thaler came to town on Easter Monday and assisted Huddersfield to a huge win. Morgan copped a fine after that particular rant. Thaler is to Rovers [uas Ganson is to Hull.[/u'"
but Ganson is to every team !
you ask any fan of any SL team and they will say the same thing "Ganson is against us, he's always the bloody same" etc etc
he's made some real howlers at Perpignan over the years for and against the Catalans....
all refs get it wrong occasionally but when Ganson gets it wrong it seems to wrong [size=150'big time' ![/size
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| Quote ="Airlie Street"Cheating has nothing to do with it, most penalties are lazy, careless or caused by fatigue.
Rover's were not square at the POTB a few times and and offside a few more, this wasn't them trying to cheat, just caught out by the opposition, needless to say none were given.
As I've said before I'm not blaming Ganson for the defeat, he certainly helped Rovers, but he didn't score their tries our miss our tackles, that's where the game was lost.'" I get feed up of fans saying ref's don't miss tackles it's not they job to tackle it's they job to see forward passes square marking and over see all the rules .I am blaming Ganson he gave Rovers the momentum going forward .A ref is suppose to be impartial and consistent this man is non of these things .Not just with Hull Bradford have complaint's with this man He is a law unto himself
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| Quote ="sanjunien"but Ganson is to every team !
you ask any fan of any SL team and they will say the same thing "Ganson is against us, he's always the bloody same" etc etc
he's made some real howlers at Perpignan over the years for and against the Catalans....
all refs get it wrong occasionally but when Ganson gets it wrong it seems to wrong [size=150'big time' ![/size'"
Would you like to enlighten us on one single "big time" mistake that he's given us to win a game then?
Any Hull fan can list 5, 6, 7 or more games that he has directly taken from us. That isn't bad refereeing, he's a cheat with an agenda!
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"I look to see who will be our ref for the game When it's him I fear the worst You can see his cocky ways when he runs passed the Hull fans on warm up" When fans sing you don't know what you are doing" .He does
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"
I can't obviously - not being a regular FC watcher - the last time I watched your lot at home was from the Threepenny Stand about 200 years ago...
he's not a cheat IMO and doesn't have an agenda against your lot any more than he has against my lot
he gets it wrong - live with it ! we all have to...
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| Quote ="sanjunien"
So why is it that I can honestly say that he has never "got it wrong" and given us any game whatsoever but he has robbed us on many occasions?
I suppose your now going to tell us that one of the least fit teams in SL, on the hottest day of the year so far never transgressed once in any way in the second half to constitute a penalty? We, on the other hand, were pulled for every single miniscule infringement including ones that weren't even there.
When even the ridiculous penalties against us weren't enough and Ganson was running out of time, in comes the worst forward pass I've ever seen awarded a try and GANSON KNEW IT !
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| If the above posters are going to continue to pi[is[/is and moan, can they at the very least learn how to use the "quote" facility? It's difficult enough trying to wade through some of the crap on here without having to deconstruct every other post, simply to find out what they were trying to say.
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| Quote ="cod'ead":nlni42csIf the above posters are going to continue to pi[i:nlni42css[/i:nlni42css and moan, can they at the very least learn how to use the "quote" facility? It's difficult enough trying to wade through some of the crap on here without having to deconstruct every other post, simply to find out what they were trying to say.'"
it didn't give the text of the quote - it happens sometimes
a bit like Gansons reffing in a way.....
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| Quote ="Airlie Street"
[uEven easier, take a sponsorship deal which pays money[/u and use the money to make video refs available at each game and pay for 2nd on field referees.'"
Of course it is, it's dead easy to bring sponsorship money into the game, that's why we're awash with dosh and it's all being wasted on subsidising London, Welsh and French clubs.
The marketing of the game, including attracting sponsorship, is contracted out to a professional agency that specialises in identifying sponsors. Once identified, the proposals are put to the chairmen of the Superleague clubs and they decide who to go with. So if you're having a dig about the Stobart sponsorship, don't lay the blame at the RFL's door.
Assuming that the money could be found for video referees at all games and to pay for a 2nd referee too, where are all these officials going to magically spring up from? People moan that the current referees aren't good enough, so where will twice as many come from and will more money make them better referees?
Even given all the above, it would still require the match referee(s) to refer a decision to the VR, what if, like over the weekend, they didn't refer anything, or are you suggesting that there should also be an omnipotent referee at all games too, who can overule the officials on the pitch and make decisions that they haven't?
Get over it, we lost. You can blame Ganson all you want to, you can suggest that everything would be solved by simply getting more sponsorship money in. I'm surprised that when Richard Lewis handed his notice in, the RFL didn't beat a path to your door because you obviously have all the answers
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| Quote ="sanjunien"
not my fault mate - when I pushed the quote button all I got was - Quote ="thehullwhitestar" '"
it didn't give the text of the quote - it happens sometimes
a bit like Gansons reffing in a way.....'"
Neither is it difficult to edit and sort out, as evidenced here
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| I would say that Ganson does have an agenda but its nothing to do with being biased against Hull or any other team for that matter it's all about the self promotion of one Mr S Ganson. From what I've seen of him, which admittidly is mainly FC games he is on the whole a decent referee unless the game happens to be on TV in which case he comes out with the "Hollywood" decisions aimed soley to get people talking about him. Sin binning Dobson this week, sending off Adrian Morley early in an international to name just a couple
33 pages of proof of a job well done then Steve!
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| move on .........
its not going to change anything its Saints Sunday
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Of course it is, it's dead easy to bring sponsorship money into the game, that's why we're awash with dosh and it's all being wasted on subsidising London, Welsh and French clubs.'"
So much wrong with that it's barely worth a response.
Quote The marketing of the game, including attracting sponsorship, is contracted out to a professional agency that specialises in identifying sponsors. Once identified, the proposals are put to the chairmen of the Superleague clubs and they decide who to go with. So if you're having a dig about the Stobart sponsorship, don't lay the blame at the RFL's door.'"
If true the chairmen are to blame too, however I find it highly unlikely they'd turn down cash (numerous offers were on the table) in favour of free advertising, if you think the rfl had nothing to do with it your an idiot. All the stobart deal has done is increase stobart's profile amongst rugby league fans, not rugby league amongst non-fans, the deal has been and was always destined to be a bad decision.
Quote Assuming that the money could be found for video referees at all games and to pay for a 2nd referee too, where are all these officials going to magically spring up from? People moan that the current referees aren't good enough, so where will twice as many come from and will more money make them better referees?'"
The problem is not that the referee's aren't good enough, they simply have too much to do and can't cope with it. A second referee would half their duties allowing them to focus on one particular aspect of the game. Touch judges or championship referee's would be more than capable of marching the 10 and checking for offside, leaving the main referee (current superleague referee's) to monitor the ruck, this isn't reinventing the wheel, it's already tried and tested.
Quote Even given all the above, it would still require the match referee(s) to refer a decision to the VR, what if, like over the weekend, they didn't refer anything, or are you suggesting that there should also be an omnipotent referee at all games too, who can overule the officials on the pitch and make decisions that they haven't?'"
No obviously not, there will always be wrong/missed calls, that's human nature, what fans want is a reduction in the number of wrong calls and greater consistency across the board. The two ref system has already successfully achieved that. There is no system in sport which can give 100% accuracy with decisions, even hawk eye (cricket/tennis) isn't fully accurate.
Quote Get over it, we lost. You can blame Ganson all you want to, you can suggest that everything would be solved by simply getting more sponsorship money in. I'm surprised that when Richard Lewis handed his notice in, the RFL didn't beat a path to your door because you obviously have all the answers'"
Absolute cretin, had you bothered to read the rest of the thread you'd have seen the numerous occasions on which I point out it was FC's fault they lost the game, actually read what's posted before making stuff up.
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| Quote ="Airlie Street"So much wrong with that it's barely worth a response.
If true the chairmen are to blame too, however I find it highly unlikely they'd turn down cash (numerous offers were on the table) in favour of free advertising, if you think the rfl had nothing to do with it your an idiot. All the stobart deal has done is increase stobart's profile amongst rugby league fans, not rugby league amongst non-fans, the deal has been and was always destined to be a bad decision.
The problem is not that the referee's aren't good enough, they simply have too much to do and can't cope with it. A second referee would half their duties allowing them to focus on one particular aspect of the game. Touch judges or championship referee's would be more than capable of marching the 10 and checking for offside, leaving the main referee (current superleague referee's) to monitor the ruck, this isn't reinventing the wheel, it's already tried and tested.
No obviously not, there will always be wrong/missed calls, that's human nature, what fans want is a reduction in the number of wrong calls and greater consistency across the board. The two ref system is already successfully achieved that. There is no system in sport which can give 100% accuracy with decisions, even hawk eye (cricket/tennis) isn't fully accurate.
Absolute cretin, had you bothered to read the rest of the thread you'd have seen the numerous occasions on which I point out it was FC's fault they lost the game, actually read what's posted before making stuff up.'"
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