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Have we got any junkies on the board to settle this argument?
Garry Brindley was definitely on drugs, where's he when you need him?
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| Quote ="WormInHand"Utter tripe, I'm afraid. You are not an addict after one fix.'"
It's entirely subjective. Some research went as far as to say you can be hooked within 8 seconds of injecting, the majority of research dissmisses addiction from the first hit.
It's like saying you'll get drunk if you drink 4 pints of lager; some will, some won't due to countless variables. |
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| Quote ="berrigans bitch"Exactly!!! stupid, stupid Minns & Co
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Stop it bb. 
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| Quote ="Digby"It's entirely subjective. [uSome research went as far as to say you can be hooked within 8 seconds of injecting, the majority of research addiction from the first hit. [/u
It's like saying you'll get drunk if you drink 4 pints of lager; some will, some won't due to countless variables.'"
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Stop it bb.
You'll get that slug Gekko back on here!'"
what's wrong with him ? |
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| Quote ="sanjunien"what's wrong with him ?'"
He's a red and white t0sser for starters. |
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I won't bother then
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That's the approximate time it takes for the drug to take effect. It is suggested in certain instances, such as, you are suffering forms of mental health: anxiety, depression, schizophenia et al, the drug has a potent effect the provides ultimate escapism. If you are a more controlled user (if there is such a thing) and you are not "escaping" you are in greater control - hence addiction is completely subjective. Don't quote me though, it's from memory of some very basic training I attended. |
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| Quote ="Digby"That's the approximate time it takes for the drug to take effect. It is suggested in certain instances, such as, you are suffering forms of mental health: anxiety, depression, schizophenia et al, the drug has a potent effect the provides ultimate escapism. If you are a more controlled user (if there is such a thing) and you are not "escaping" you are in greater control - hence addiction is completely subjective. Don't quote me though, it's from memory of some very basic training I attended.'"
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[size=200Why Council support for developing Craven Park is good for the taxpayer[/size'"
Great so it will produce a couple of hundred jobs....remind us again Mr Minns how many people you are going to make redundant to SAVE money 
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[size=200Why Council support for developing Craven Park is good for the taxpayer[/size'"
thats sorted then I'm voting for him! lets see what plans he has for investing in the KC then! |
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[size=200Why Council support for developing Craven Park is good for the taxpayer[/size'"
Interesting, if a little sketchy on figures and projections. Come on Mr Mince (as Levy called him on [ithat[/i Look North programme), we need a proper business plan before we believe that wishy washy flannel.
Seems to me that this £4.2M loan could save the council as much as [url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/news/Guildhall-cuts-team-cost-save/article-3012625-detail/article.htmlthis[/url innovation has. |
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"thats sorted then I'm voting for him!
[u lets see what plans he has for investing in the KC then[/u!'"
I think £53m is enough already don't you??
Personally if i were Minns i'd be looking to sell the KC to the highest bidder to raise much needed cash, coz they get fookall out of it at the moment. |
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I think £53m is enough already don't you??
Personally if i were Minns i'd be looking to sell the KC to the highest bidder to raise much needed cash, coz they get fookall out of it at the moment.'"
Have I missed something? The stadium cost 44 million to build, 42 million of this put forward by HCC. Where has 53 million come from?
And the money was provided by the sale of HCC's holdings in Kingston Communication's. If HCC sells of it's properties, buildings or assets, the gain is ring-fenced to re-investment in build, not settling debt, and HCC is not in debt, by the way. It is incurring 80 million pounds worth of cut-backs because Central Government got it wrong, very wrong. |
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Rovers stand is costing £1.9m of the £4.2m borrowed according to this:
www.yorkshire-forward.com/sites/ ... kreate.pdf
The elements of genius within it include:
Craven Park described multiple times as a "the centrepiece of a Regeneration scheme", yet the only evidence of things actually delivered in the area and not badged as "planned" or "proposed" are a go-kart track and Sport Soccer.
"The capital project and its capital funding do not strictly speaking create businesses, jobs, labour market inclusion/economic activity". Good thing to prioritise then.
"The project in its original proposed form cannot be commercially funded nor would the end values in expected rentals and leasehold commitments be affordable by occupants". ie there's no stand alone business case for it.
"The club provides the anchor for the use of sport as a route for social and economic inclusion" WTF - supreme management bollox-speak
And "[uThe provision of the stand secures the Hull Kingston Rovers Super League License[/u". Not "would help to secure", it's described as a done deal. Feck, didn't realise this was the only criteria the RFL were looking at now. Pesky Rovers, always have the inside track on the RFL's moving goalposts.
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Rovers stand is costing £1.9m of the £4.2m borrowed according to this:
www.yorkshire-forward.com/sites/ ... kreate.pdf
The elements of genius within it include:
Craven Park described multiple times as a "the centrepiece of a Regeneration scheme", yet the only evidence of things actually delivered in the area and not badged as "planned" or "proposed" are a go-kart track and Sport Soccer.
"The capital project and its capital funding do not strictly speaking create businesses, jobs, labour market inclusion/economic activity". Good thing to prioritise then.
"The project in its original proposed form cannot be commercially funded nor would the end values in expected rentals and leasehold commitments be affordable by occupants". ie there's no stand alone business case for it.
"The club provides the anchor for the use of sport as a route for social and economic inclusion" WTF - supreme management bollox-speak
And "[uThe provision of the stand secures the Hull Kingston Rovers Super League License[/u". Not "would help to secure", it's described as a done deal. Feck, didn't realise this was the only criteria the RFL were looking at now. Pesky Rovers, always have the inside track on the RFL's moving goalposts.
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So you are saying that nobody, anywhere, at any time, has ever become addicted to any drug after a single exposure?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Carl Minns is still an incompetent idiot, by the way.'"
By the way has anybody noticed the increased use of the phrase BY THE WAY more often than not used at the end of a sentence by the way.  |
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| Quote ="Digby"Have I missed something? The stadium cost 44 million to build, 42 million of this put forward by HCC. Where has 53 million come from?
And the money was provided by the sale of HCC's holdings in Kingston Communication's. If HCC sells of it's properties, buildings or assets, the gain is ring-fenced to re-investment in build, not settling debt, and HCC is not in debt, by the way. It is incurring 80 million pounds worth of cut-backs because Central Government got it wrong, very wrong.'"
The overall cost of the whole stadium project was £53m.
Whilst you're correct in what you said about cash being ring fenced, they would still be better off leaving the proceeds in the bank and using the interest gained as income, because like i said they currently get nothing in way of a return on the KC. |
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"The overall cost of the whole stadium project was £53m.
Whilst you're correct in what you said about cash being ring fenced, they would still be better off leaving the proceeds in the bank and using the interest gained as income, because like i said they currently get nothing in way of a return on the KC.'"
When the project was signed off by the Council its cost was £43m, thats in the Council minutes, an additional £1m was spent on infrastructural improvements and access. There was a plan to send an additional £9m on Walton Street fairground and West Park but that was not spent in the end. Pathfinder and other external and government funding was used to fund West Park improvements, which have been pulled half way through without lighting etc being completed. So can you tell me where this additional £9m was spent? |
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"When the project was signed off by the Council its cost was £43m, thats in the Council minutes, an additional £1m was spent on infrastructural improvements and access. There was a plan to send an additional £9m on Walton Street fairground and West Park but that was not spent in the end. Pathfinder and other external and government funding was used to fund West Park improvements, which have been pulled half way through without lighting etc being completed. So can you tell me where this additional £9m was spent?'"
Fair enough. I thought i'd read somewhere that the toal cost was £53m, i stand corrected. I'd be interested to know how much was spent on the project that was dumped half way through though. |
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