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I do think Radford is on thin ice. Next 3/4 matches IMO will decide if he's still here. Maybe it is time for a fresh coach. But yest I blame the players. No matter who is coach the players on the field should see that game out. Also need a chance of captain as again we just needed a voice on the field. As I said earlier Sneyd was not a happy bunny at the end as i believe he saw that kick coming but nobody reacted
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| Quote ="Chris71"Here's a question for you taking out injuries/suspensions for the minute would honestly say that the performances over the last 4 games have been good enough and to a satisfactory standard?'" Well let's do a little five game review.
Leeds away. One of our greatest victories of all time on that ground.
Hull KR home. Short turnaround, always an emotionaly different game, Rovers had a real dig at ud, but we got the job done.
St Helens home. Best team in the comp, we matched them well in the first half, we gave them cheap possession by kicking the ball out on the full and the good team that they are punished us for it.
Wigan away. A bit of a flat performance by us, but even so we were still in the game for most of it, they took their chances better than we did on the day, maybe due to them being that little bit more crisper with their passing.
Catalans home. Dominated possession and territory early in the game, but couldn't register points, got caught with two tries against us against the run of play, then put 24 unanswered points on them, then the players decided they'd won and put the cue on the rack. We composed ourselves again to take the lead with 2 minutes to go, and then a freak of a player came up with a big play for them. |
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Good teams don't put the que on the rack. Am still gutted how we lost. Twice in the same game
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Well let's do a little five game review.
Leeds away. One of our greatest victories of all time on that ground.
Hull KR home. Short turnaround, always an emotionaly different game, Rovers had a real dig at ud, but we got the job done.
St Helens home. Best team in the comp, we matched them well in the first half, we gave them cheap possession by kicking the ball out on the full and the good team that they are punished us for it.
Wigan away. A bit of a flat performance by us, but even so we were still in the game for most of it, they took their chances better than we did on the day, maybe due to them being that little bit more crisper with their passing.
Catalans home. Dominated possession and territory early in the game, but couldn't register points, got caught with two tries against us against the run of play, then put 24 unanswered points on them, then the players decided they'd won and put the cue on the rack. We composed ourselves again to take the lead with 2 minutes to go, and then a freak of a player came up with a big play for them.'"
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"The thing is with giddyupoldfella I've noticed is that he will always enjoy the victories as we all do but look for justification for our losses and poor performances.
It's almost if injuries and suspensions only effect Hull.
We are spending way over cap, have recruited some real quality but yet still churn out performances like yesterday.
It is just history repeating itself with the same old failings.
The playing personnel have changed several times in Radford's tenure but yet our playing style, fitness and mental fragility have not.
Time for a fresh start but unfortunately Radford seems to be made of Teflon. Always the players or fans at fault.'" No, if you have been reading, I haven't said that injuries only affect us, I also pointed out times where injuries affected St Helens, and I can add Wakefield to that, who were looking a good team until the lost the likes of Johnstone, Tupou and Fifita. |
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Well let's do a little five game review.
Leeds away. One of our greatest victories of all time on that ground.
Hull KR home. Short turnaround, always an emotionaly different game, Rovers had a real dig at ud, but we got the job done.
St Helens home. Best team in the comp, we matched them well in the first half, we gave them cheap possession by kicking the ball out on the full and the good team that they are punished us for it.
Wigan away. A bit of a flat performance by us, but even so we were still in the game for most of it, they took their chances better than we did on the day, maybe due to them being that little bit more crisper with their passing.
Catalans home. Dominated possession and territory early in the game, but couldn't register points, got caught with two tries against us against the run of play, then put 24 unanswered points on them, then the players decided they'd won and put the cue on the rack. We composed ourselves again to take the lead with 2 minutes to go, and then a freak of a player came up with a big play for them.'"
So one good performance in 5 then. |
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"So one good performance in 5 then.'"
Just seen the stat of home wins/losses since June 2018
Won 9 out of 25 home games since June 2018.
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Just seen the stat of home wins/losses since June 2018
Won 9 out of 25 home games since June 2018.
In those wins, 2 have been against Rovers and 1 against London when we were winning 34-0 at half time and were hanging on in the 2nd half'"
Indeed, Quote HDM When the heat is on, FC can’t stand it and that needs to change quickly'"
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| Quote ="Wilde 3"Just seen the stat of home wins/losses since June 2018
Won 9 out of 25 home games since June 2018.
In those wins, 2 have been against Rovers and 1 against London when we were winning 34-0 at half time and were hanging on in the 2nd half'"
So basically we have only won a 1/3rd of our home games since June 2018, loosing 2/3rds? That is a very poor stat and ultimately damaging to the club in terms of regaining and growing the core home support. |
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| Quote ="Mr. Zucchini Head"So one good performance in 5 then.'" Maybe, but two victories on the board, in a a fairly tough opening run of games, where we've only been able to manage having 5 players ever present, 6 with Lane.
In the next 6 games, we have Wakefield, Salford, Huddersfield, Rovers and Toronto. The first five favourites for the wooden spoon. On paper, a much easier run of games. We also play Wire at home. It certainly looks like an opportunity to put a fair few more points on the board. And if we can do well over the next 6, we'll be pushing at the top end of the table, where we wanna be. So let's see where we are then, before we press the panic button. |
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| Quote ="IR80" Quote HDM When the heat is on, FC can’t stand it and that needs to change quickly'"
THAT sums it up.'"
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Radford owes me a pint for this
And a few victories.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Radford owes me a pint for this
And a few victories.'"
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Sounds like you've already had a few!
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Maybe, but two victories on the board, in a a fairly tough opening run of games, where we've only been able to manage having 5 players ever present, 6 with Lane.
In the next 6 games, we have Wakefield, Salford, Huddersfield, Rovers and Toronto. The first five favourites for the wooden spoon. On paper, a much easier run of games. We also play Wire at home. It certainly looks like an opportunity to put a fair few more points on the board. And if we can do well over the next 6, we'll be pushing at the top end of the table, where we wanna be. So let's see where we are then, before we press the panic button.'"
Well despite what I want to happen I can't imagine that Radford is going anywhere yet. So lets see what happens across these next 6 games. If we win 5/6 (or better) and start putting together some 80 minute performances then maybe we can reevaluate. 4/6 is the absolute bare minimum requirement from those fixtures. Anything less than that and the season is as good as dead and there will be not much point making a change until the end of the season anyway. |
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| Quote ="Chris71"So basically we have only won a 1/3rd of our home games since June 2018, loosing 2/3rds? That is a very poor stat and ultimately damaging to the club in terms of regaining and growing the core home support.'"
This is an area Pearson should be looking at when deciding Radfords future.
Just how much money have the club lost in gate revenue with having such poor home form.
So many times we have had the chance to grow home gates and then produced rubbish on the field.
This season was ideal to pull back some walk in fans after the Leeds game but the club have blown it again. |
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Maybe teams enjoy travelling to our place? it's a beautiful stadium to play in, who wouldn't enjoy it?
Maybe because we don't get to train on there, it doesn't help our advantage?
Judging by yesterday, maybe we're cursed there?
It's certainly a strange one is our recent home form. Because we didn't have much problem getting victories away from home last season.
Next home one will be interesting, because it's our home form against Warrington's away form. Something has got to give.
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Maybe teams enjoy travelling to our place? it's a beautiful stadium to play in, who wouldn't enjoy it?
Maybe because we don't get to train on there, it doesn't help our advantage?
Judging by yesterday, maybe we're cursed there?
It's certainly a strange one is our recent home form. Because we didn't have much problem getting victories away from home last season.
Next home one will be interesting, because it's our home form against Warrington's away form. Something has got to give.'"
Those are some serious straws you are clutching at! |
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| We’ll all be laughing at this thread in October, when we’re in the Grand Final..... |
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| Quote ="IR80"Those are some serious straws you are clutching at!'" Well, I'm in good company on this forum then. |
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"Well, I'm in could company on this forum then.'"
Who else is clutching at straws, I can only think of three other posters I would say have on occasion. |
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| Quote ="Irregular Hoops"We’ll all be laughing at this thread in October, when we’re in the Grand Final.....
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| Quote ="giddyupoldfella"I will be gloating like a good un.'"
lol, I will happily buy you a pint if it happens, that is how certain I am it wont. |
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As for challenging I don't think that's realistic under the AP regime. As Mrs B has said the turnover is too low and AP doesn't want to put the club at risk by over stretching.'"
Mr Pearson (and reality) beg to differ...
Adam Pearson 11.09.19 - "We will be challenging for the Grand Final next year I have no doubt about that."
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... se-3305460
14.12.19 - "to be competing for the top four and obviously in the last four of the Challenge Cup. That’s really where we are " ...."We’ve got marquee players who qualify under the marquee rule, we’re not saying any more than that, but that’s what we’ve got. We’ve got an extremely high wage bill so from my point of view we have 24 marquee players."....."
the club at the minute is operating at its best levels commercially since I came into the club"... "We’ve made an investment in the squad for this season in the hope of finally breaking through consistently into the top four and challenging for honours, that’s why we made the investment and the decision to lose money again this year....similar to what we did in 2016 although the wages are considerably higher this time around. We’ve taken a calculated to risk to say that we’ll build a squad that we can’t really afford in order to try and win things"
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-3643063
1.2.20 - "we think we have put a squad together that can win a Grand Final........We want to play a style of rugby that gets people off their seats......We lost £300,000 on the accounts last year and we have budgeted to lose that again this year."
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As for challenging I don't think that's realistic under the AP regime. As Mrs B has said the turnover is too low and AP doesn't want to put the club at risk by over stretching.'"
Mr Pearson (and reality) beg to differ...
Adam Pearson 11.09.19 - "We will be challenging for the Grand Final next year I have no doubt about that."
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... se-3305460
14.12.19 - "to be competing for the top four and obviously in the last four of the Challenge Cup. That’s really where we are " ...."We’ve got marquee players who qualify under the marquee rule, we’re not saying any more than that, but that’s what we’ve got. We’ve got an extremely high wage bill so from my point of view we have 24 marquee players."....."
the club at the minute is operating at its best levels commercially since I came into the club"... "We’ve made an investment in the squad for this season in the hope of finally breaking through consistently into the top four and challenging for honours, that’s why we made the investment and the decision to lose money again this year....similar to what we did in 2016 although the wages are considerably higher this time around. We’ve taken a calculated to risk to say that we’ll build a squad that we can’t really afford in order to try and win things"
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... ry-3643063
1.2.20 - "we think we have put a squad together that can win a Grand Final........We want to play a style of rugby that gets people off their seats......We lost £300,000 on the accounts last year and we have budgeted to lose that again this year."
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1.2.20 - "we think we have put a squad together that can win a Grand Final........We want to play a style of rugby that gets people off their seats......We lost £300,000 on the accounts last year and we have budgeted to lose that again this year."
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... im-3800367'"
Well they are certainly playing a style of rugby that gets the fans off their seats, unfortunately it’s not with excitement or entertainment but leaving early due to the what is being served up at the KC.
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1.2.20 - "we think we have put a squad together that can win a Grand Final........We want to play a style of rugby that gets people off their seats......We lost £300,000 on the accounts last year and we have budgeted to lose that again this year."
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... im-3800367'"
Well they are certainly playing a style of rugby that gets the fans off their seats, unfortunately it’s not with excitement or entertainment but leaving early due to the what is being served up at the KC.
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