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| Quote ="Standee"agree with both observations, of the three, goodbye Mr Lee.'"
Quite possibly, he is the only one of the three ooc at the end of this season.
It is clear that Long and Horne will be the halves so can Hull carry 3 hookers all season and keep them all happy???
The answer imo is no.
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| Tommy Lee is going to Salford.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Quite possibly, he is the only one of the three ooc at the end of this season.
It is clear that Long and Horne will be the halves so can Hull carry 3 hookers all season and keep them all happy???
The answer imo is no.'"
We will have injuries in the halves at some point in the season I've no doubt of that and Berrigan will also pick up the odd injury here and there. Lee could well come in very handy in those situations. All of which is irrelevant as he is leaving anyway.
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| Quote ="Ellam"Tommy Lee is going to Salford.'"
Hopefully.
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| Quote ="Ellam"Tommy Lee is going to Salford.'"
Do you think McRae sees him as a 7?
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Those wanting to bin Berrigan are even odder and clearly have serious deficiences when evaluating a players abilities.'"
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I'm sorry, I just can't agree with that at all. It's not a one-man game, nobody can look like doing something every time they touch the ball. They can try and do something every time they have the chance, but they can't produce out of nothing without input from those around them. IMO Berrigan does look capable of making something happen most times he touches the ball, but when he looks around there simply aren't the right options available to him.
And the suggestion that Lee is playing better than him is way off IMO, perhaps just an OTT way to support your stance. Lee is playing better this year than he has in previous years, but he is still not amongst our best players in ability or form, whereas Berrigan is in at least one of those categories.'"
We arent going to agree. Berro should be doing more.
Not OTT regards to 2nd paragraph imo, Lee has given far better distribution from the PTB consistently this season than Berro who has looked slow and laboured imo.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"We arent going to agree. Berro should be doing more.
Not OTT regards to 2nd paragraph imo, Lee has given far better distribution from the PTB consistently this season than Berro who has looked slow and laboured imo.'"
You're right, we're not. Berrigan should be doing more, just like everyone else. No more so, no less. But he does have the addition of being hampered by a monumentally poor PTB and next to no options to enable him to do much more than he already is.
And IMO the distribution from the PTB has been pretty even whoever's done it, they've all had good games and bad games, but largely average. Again, down to our PTB being poor, preventing our hookers from being in a good position to distribute particularly effectively. But in contrast to Lee, Berrigan also poses a threat when he takes on the line and has shown a decent kicking game more often.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"We arent going to agree. Berro should be doing more.
Not OTT regards to 2nd paragraph imo, Lee has given far better distribution from the PTB consistently this season than Berro who has looked slow and laboured imo.'"
Yeah your right, maybe he should drive the bus, and and do the coaching , whilst playing on 1 leg as well
Playing on 1 leg and still creates more than Thorman,Horne, wait till next season with a pack around him , can't wait to see a large slice of humble pie eaten
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"Motu
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Nope!
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| Quote ="Ellam"Tommy Lee is going to Salford.'"
Or Wakefield
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Nope!
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Is it close
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Nope!
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Given that we know Motu is leaving, I'd be pretty disappointed if more than 1 of the other 6 are here next year.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"Is it close
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Well its just hear say like everyone else but close! Who said it would be only 7?
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Those wanting to bin Berrigan are even odder and clearly have serious deficiences when evaluating a players abilities.'"
Agree. And if it means Lee going than so be it we have 2 hookers better at the club imo.
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| Quote ="Suzie"Agree. And if it means Lee going than so be it we have 2 hookers better at the club imo.'"
Without wanting to get into a long winded argument i'd be more inclined to take Lee over Houghton. Much as i rate Danny i think Tom has a better all round skill set, though if Berrigan is going to be starting hooker Houghton will be better off the bench than would Tom.
Its a tough call purely on ability, but being as Tom is ooc i suspect it will be him who misses out on a renewal.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Without wanting to get into a long winded argument i'd be more inclined to take Lee over Houghton. Much as i rate Danny i think Tom has a better all round skill set, though if Berrigan is going to be starting hooker Houghton will be better off the bench than would Tom.
Its a tough call purely on ability, but being as Tom is ooc i suspect it will be him who misses out on a renewal.'"
Which skills do you think Lee is better at than Houghton?
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Without wanting to get into a long winded argument i'd be more inclined to take Lee over Houghton. Much as i rate Danny i think Tom has a better all round skill set, though if Berrigan is going to be starting hooker Houghton will be better off the bench than would Tom.
Its a tough call purely on ability, but being as Tom is ooc i suspect it will be him who misses out on a renewal.'"
amen to that
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"Without wanting to get into a long winded argument i'd be more inclined to take Lee over Houghton. Much as i rate Danny i think Tom has a better all round skill set, though if Berrigan is going to be starting hooker Houghton will be better off the bench than would Tom.
Its a tough call purely on ability, but being as Tom is ooc i suspect it will be him who misses out on a renewal.'"
While I think Lee probably is better than Houghton at the moment, the thing is he's been in and around the first team for a few years now and has never lived up to his potential (although he has got better since they stopped trying to play him at half-back). Houghton, on the other hand, still has more time in hand to realise his potential, and therefore it's him that's deserving of the new contract IMO.
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| Quote ="davey37"Which skills do you think Lee is better at than Houghton?'"
I'm sure we've been down this road before.
IMO he's a better passer of the ball, a slightly better tackler and a better kicker out of dummy half. Houghton's main attribute is his speed around the ruck and though his passing off the floor is improving its still not quite there.
Both players though are still young and therefore still have improvement in them, and are valuable commodities being British so ideally i'd keep them both. But as i've said if one has to go its more likely to be Tom due his contract status.
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| Quote ="Gordon Gekko"I'm sure we've been down this road before.
IMO he's a better passer of the ball, a slightly better tackler and a better kicker out of dummy half. Houghton's main attribute is his speed around the ruck and though his passing off the floor is improving its still not quite there.
Both players though are still young and therefore still have improvement in them, and are valuable commodities being British so ideally i'd keep them both. But as i've said if one has to go its more likely to be Tom due his contract status.'"
The kicking bit i'd certainly disagree with. When he first broke into the team Houghton put in some good kicks and regularly found touch in the oppositions 20. He doesn't seem to have done it as much this season but that's is probably due to lack of game time.
Lee is probably stronger in the tackle but to me Houghton is a better tackler round the ankles.
Little to choose with in the passing department and Houghton is undoubtedly quicker when running from dummy half.
As you can tell. Houghton for me
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| If people are serious about berro being one players in the clearout then they are very bad judge of player . Quality player who has being in a very average team who will even better with better players round him
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| Quote ="davey37"The kicking bit i'd certainly disagree with. When he first broke into the team Houghton put in some good kicks and regularly found touch in the oppositions 20. He doesn't seem to have done it as much this season but that's is probably due to lack of game time.
Lee is probably stronger in the tackle but to me Houghton is a better tackler round the ankles.
Little to choose with in the passing department and Houghton is undoubtedly quicker when running from dummy half.
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An opinion you're quite entitled to
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| Quote ="The Brother"Yeah your right, maybe he should drive the bus, and and do the coaching , whilst playing on 1 leg as well
Playing on 1 leg and still creates more than Thorman,Horne, wait till next season with a pack around him , can't wait to see a large slice of humble pie eaten'"
No humble pie to eat, ive not said he is a rubbish player. Ive said he hasnt played well for us. I'll stick to that. If i see him playing well i'll say that too. Different opinions mate, thats what lifes all about.
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