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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"As I've posted this week on here, so far it's:
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Even allowing for upgrades, there has to be some money left. We have no overseas spots left. Who will be prepared to release a top class playmaker at this point? Cas and Crusaders have declined on Chase and Sammut, Wakefield only have Obst who is not top class. Would Saints, for example, accept a fee for Pryce? Unlikely as they don't need the money with McManus as a sugar daddy. Would Wigan release Tomkins perhaps? Er, no, 5 year deal just signed. We've had a good go for Myler. suggest we try and get?'" Who do you
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Would you rather have us sign a back up half or a 2nd hooker? I would rather have a player that can confidently play the both.'"
I'd rather have one who could competently play both
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"As I've posted this week on here, so far it's:
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Even allowing for upgrades, there has to be some money left. We have no overseas spots left. Who will be prepared to release a top class playmaker at this point? Cas and Crusaders have declined on Chase and Sammut, Wakefield only have Obst who is not top class. Would Saints, for example, accept a fee for Pryce? Unlikely as they don't need the money with McManus as a sugar daddy. Would Wigan release Tomkins perhaps? Er, no, 5 year deal just signed. We've had a good go for Myler. Who do you suggest we try and get?'"
Why do people always come up with that question as if it proves something? It's like me asking some non accountant about some complex accounting matter and then trying to act smug when they don't know the answer. It's not my job to know who may be available. I don't even know what the club's budget is or how much players are earning elsewhere so how can I possibly answer? Dumb question asked by people who are grasping at straws trying to prove their side of the argument
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'd rather have one who could competently play both'"
Sam Obst can, in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Why do people always come up with that question as if it proves something? It's like me asking some non accountant about some complex accounting matter and then trying to act smug when they don't know the answer. It's not my job to know who may be available. I don't even know what the club's budget is or how much players are earning elsewhere so how can I possibly answer? Dumb question asked by people who are grasping at straws trying to prove their side of the argument'"
I think that's avoidance of a very reasonable question. You complain at length about our squad, fair enough, and I agree that there must be cash available. So far we are agreed. We have no overseas spots left. Therefore only British players, or overseas players here before 2008, are technically "available", even if all are under contract, some for five years. Since you clearly don't rate Obst and the like, and thought we were very poor last year,let's assume for now that only players from teams in places ahead of us.
The players you would suggest we target are therefore:
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Thomas Leuluia
Sam Tomkins
Paul Deacon
Michael McIlorum
[uWarrington[/u
Chris Bridge
Lee Briers
Richie Myler
Michael Monaghan
Micky Higham
Jon Clarke
[uSaints[/u
Leon Pryce
Kyle Eastmond
James Roby
Jon Wilkin
Scott Moore
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Danny McGuire
Rob Burrow
Paul McShane
It's all very well to bleat, but let's try and be a bit more constructive. Which of these do you think would a) improve our squad and b) would be released by their clubs (bearing in mind that Lenegan, Moran, McManus and Caddick are not likely to be swayed by a fee if they rate the player as pivotal).What should the board be doing in terms of recruitment from this group that would satisfy you? It really is a reasonable question.
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| so, was the headline in The Sun on 28th Jan of Give Me Moore Say Agar, was a typical load of guff from them?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Why do people always come up with that question as if it proves something? [uIt's like me asking some non accountant about some complex accounting matter and then trying to act smug when they don't know the answer.[/u It's not my job to know who may be available. I don't even know what the club's budget is or how much players are earning elsewhere so how can I possibly answer? Dumb question asked by people who are grasping at straws trying to prove their side of the argument'"
Garbage, it's nothing like that. The question is straight forward, who do you suggest Hull should make a move for?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Garbage, it's nothing like that. The question is straight forward, who do you suggest Hull should make a move for?'"
I've done him a list, for goodness' sake. Can't be much more helpful.
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| which other hull player has been dragged in and told he'll follow tansey if he doesn't stop turning up stinking of booze?
answers on a postcard
BTw you were spot on ditching tansey. nothing but a
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| Quote ="tad rhino"which other hull player has been dragged in and told he'll follow tansey if he doesn't stop turning up stinking of booze?'"
Cameron Phelps ?
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| no. and i wouldn't name him on here either. suffice to say leeds looked at him but after doing there homework backed off.
and people in the game all know about his habits
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| Quote ="tad rhino"which other hull player has been dragged in and told he'll follow tansey if he doesn't stop turning up stinking of booze?
answers on a postcard
BTw you were spot on ditching tansey. nothing but a
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Lets list the Leeds players who should have been booted at the first sign of bother off the pitch, or those who cant keep off the cough mixture and keep out of the jeremy kyle pages living their love life out in the street?
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| but we know who those are
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| Quote ="tad rhino"no. and i wouldn't name him on here either. suffice to say leeds looked at him but after doing there homework backed off.
and people in the game all know about his habits'"
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"I think that's avoidance of a very reasonable question. You complain at length about our squad, fair enough, and I agree that there must be cash available. So far we are agreed. We have no overseas spots left. Therefore only British players, or overseas players here before 2008, are technically "available", even if all are under contract, some for five years. Since you clearly don't rate Obst and the like, and thought we were very poor last year,let's assume for now that only players from teams in places ahead of us.
The players you would suggest we target are therefore:
[uWigan[/u
Thomas Leuluia
Sam Tomkins
Paul Deacon
Michael McIlorum
[uWarrington[/u
Chris Bridge
Lee Briers
Richie Myler
Michael Monaghan
Micky Higham
Jon Clarke
[uSaints[/u
Leon Pryce
Kyle Eastmond
James Roby
Jon Wilkin
Scott Moore
[uLeeds[/u
Danny McGuire
Rob Burrow
Paul McShane
It's all very well to bleat, but let's try and be a bit more constructive. Which of these do you think would a) improve our squad and b) would be released by their clubs (bearing in mind that Lenegan, Moran, McManus and Caddick are not likely to be swayed by a fee if they rate the player as pivotal).What should the board be doing in terms of recruitment from this group that would satisfy you? It really is a reasonable question.'"
For a start, there is no reason that the group should be limited to these players. I don't know who may have been available overseas when we had a chunk of salary cap and a quota space available. I don't know how much salary cap we now have so can't comment on whether we can afford any of those players. I don't know if we have a transfer budget to make a bid. I don't know what long term promises we can make to any player as I don't know what deals we may be looking at from 2012.
It's not my job to find the players. that's what rule et al are paid to do. What I do know is that plenty of other clubs seem to have been able to bring in half backs and that finding one was supposed to be a priority 4 months or more ago.
Anyway, how long is a piece of string?
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Garbage, it's nothing like that. The question is straight forward, who do you suggest Hull should make a move for?'"
It's exactly like that. I'm not in a position to speak to players agents so I don't know which players may have a desire to move if the price was right or even if we have the money to meet any demands
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Are you suggesting that we should stick the berrigan money in the bank?
Is that based on anything other than a desire to be a smart ar$e?'"
No. I'm suggesting that making out that Sam Obst would be a replacement for Berrigan is daft at best. Berrigan's cash doesn't necessarily have to be spent on Berrigan's position.
Nice to see you dodging the question about who we might sign instead BTW.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"It's exactly like that. I'm not in a position to speak to players agents so I don't know which players may have a desire to move if the price was right or even if we have the money to meet any demands'"
So you're admitting to criticising from a position of ignorance then?
Good oh.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"For a start, there is no reason that the group should be limited to these players. I don't know who may have been available overseas when we had a chunk of salary cap and a quota space available. I don't know how much salary cap we now have so can't comment on whether we can afford any of those players. I don't know if we have a transfer budget to make a bid. I don't know what long term promises we can make to any player as I don't know what deals we may be looking at from 2012.'"
You said : "Are you suggesting that we should stick the berrigan money in the bank?". I'm agreeing with you that we must have money to spare given at one point we had Berro and Tansey on the cap, both have gone and we've only brought in Phelps. So we agree so far.
You think to be linked with Obst is a joke, so let's assume for now that to be linked with players at clubs finishing lower than us is equally silly. We have no overseas spots left. It's all very well to ridicule the club's efforts at recruitment, but you have to at least have a view on the options available. Which of the players listed, ie those from clubs finishing above our poor effort last year and which we can accommodate theoretically from a quota perspective, would you be pleased with and are realistic targets, assuming we would pay a fee?
Quote ="Jake the Peg"It's not my job to find the players. that's what rule et al are paid to do.'"
But you make it your business to slate their actions relentlessly. If you feel authoritative enough to critique each of their decisions, surely you are able to provide a credible alternative. I've listed as many eligible players from the top 5 as I can think of. Which would you advocate as realistic and credible targets to improve our squad? It's a reasonable question.
Quote ="Jake the Peg" What I do know is that plenty of other clubs seem to have been able to bring in half backs and that finding one was supposed to be a priority 4 months or more ago.'"
Agreed. Disappointing.
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| Quote ="Kosh"No. I'm suggesting that making out that Sam Obst would be a replacement for Berrigan is daft at best. Berrigan's cash doesn't necessarily have to be spent on Berrigan's position.
Nice to see you dodging the question about who we might sign instead BTW.'"
Not dodging anything. If I were an official of the club then I'd be in a position to make enquiries. As I'm not then how can I say who we should have gone for if I don't know who may have been available? I could give some of the names and just get back that X club would never sell Y player. Neither of us would know if it were true or not
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| Quote ="Kosh"So you're admitting to criticising from a position of ignorance then?
Good oh.'"
Never stopped you or anyone else on here has it?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"It's not my job to find the players. that's what rule et al are paid to do. What I do know is that plenty of other clubs seem to have been able to bring in half backs and that finding one was supposed to be a priority 4 months or more ago.'"
How many times, WE HAVE HALF BACKS!! We are looking for COVER!
C O V E R.
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| You said : "Are you suggesting that we should stick the berrigan money in the bank?". I'm agreeing with you that we must have money to spare given at one point we had Berro and Tansey on the cap, both have gone and we've only brought in Phelps. So we agree so far.
You think to be linked with Obst is a joke, so let's assume for now that to be linked with players at clubs finishing lower than us is equally silly. We have no overseas spots left. It's all very well to ridicule the club's efforts at recruitment, but you have to at least have a view on the options available. Which of the players listed, ie those from clubs finishing above our poor effort last year and which we can accommodate theoretically from a quota perspective, would you be pleased with and are realistic targets, assuming we would pay a fee?'"
I think the fact that we are scrabbling around days before the start of the season with only 1 scrum half, 1 (unfit) stand off and 1 hooker is a joke. I have never said that a player from a lower placed team than us is "silly". Those are your words trying to leverage your point. I'd happily take 3 or 4 creative players from crusaders, a couple from salford, at least one from quins, 1 from bradford, 2, maybe 3 from rovers and there are more examples. Of the players you listed then most would add to our squad, but not being a club official I can't make the necessary enquiries. The real issue here is that 2 or 3 years into agar's reign, we are still sat here without any decent half back cover. This isn't an issue that has suddenly appeared, it's been staring us right in the face since at least 2007
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The club's officials have failed in their aim to bring in cover for our critical positions. they now presumably have a significant amount of salary cap to play with yet still don't seem able to do what plenty of other clubs can.
What would you suggest the reason for failure to do so is?
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"How many times, WE HAVE HALF BACKS!! We are looking for COVER!
C O V E R.'"
AND 2 1/2 YEARS ON WE STILL HAVEN'T GOT ANY C O V E R
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'd happily take 3 or 4 creative players from crusaders, a couple from salford, at least one from quins, 1 from bradford, 2, maybe 3 from rovers and there are more examples.'"
Care to name any names? Would love to hear who you would bring into the squad that are so much better then Obst or the like.
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