what, Sunshine on Leith?

Lol....

Troll.

Seriously people the rules of cuddle club are very simple so stop breaking them!

WARNING: LOW FLYING IRONY.

I've called you out. And hither you came.


Why not just reference the 20 minutes in context? Be happy about the atmosphere the crowd generated. Maybe highlight a good third game for Jack Logan. An appropriate send-off for a player with 386 first team appearances. Reference a pretty impressive demonstration of on-field leadership by Gareth Ellis. Comment on a moving tribute to FC fans who've passed. It's possible to be underwhelmed by the big picture but find and appropriately acknowledge the odd positive. You don't need to go AWOL for 48 hours just because we beat the CC holders in a grandstand finish via an academy player. We all want the same thing, right?

Well, not quite nothing. I'll check the highlights. If every try was an interception to back up your comment, I'll fess up. Most of the game was dire, clearly.

Yes, let's. Something tells me this won't be the last time you play out your constructive and diverse thoughts on our management team before February though, so your claim of a "wait and see" approach will be lucky to extend to 8pm tonight based on your previous

Doubt that's possible, he was signed by Gentle/McRae so he must be on half a million at least.

It only gets over half a million in the last year of his 99 year contract. PA knew nothing about it until reading it on here just now.

People taking the view that money was wasted by Gentle and McRae on overpaying average players are taking that view based upon the Chairman's own comments. Since it was his money being wasted I'm not surprised he a) got rid of the perpetrators and b) feels it necessary to enlighten the supporters about that situation. He's also admitted to his own mistake in allowing this to happen (when new into the sport) and it sounds as though he wont allow it to happen again.

Clearly it's your prerogative not to believe him but it's difficult to see why anyone would doubt his word.

I think Cuckoo's post was tongue in cheek!

I was replying to Carl who takes the view (fair enough it's his view) that there's too many excuses being made on the back of the now departed Gentle and McRae. Not sure what Cuckoo's post has got to do with it.

sorry, I meant carl.

People are happy to blame previous employee's, there has to be [isome[/i responsibility apportioned to current staff and players. Yes, we've scored points, but this is a results business, and had it not been for Bradford's points reduction who knows where we would have ended up, would we have tried harder, would they have tried harder?

We are told we spend full cap, investment has been made in many areas, we finished 11th, one point behind 10th, one point above 12th, 16 points from the top.

That, is not solely Peter Gentle's fault.

The "it wasn't me, it was him" culture never works.

Has Lee apologised for the woeful season? Has he said it was unacceptable?

or are they all getting ready to go out in Beverley on the beer?

None of which addresses the point previously being debated about Gentle and McRae's signings which may possibly be a little subtle for you.

I don't know of anyone, including Radford and Pearson, who haven't come out and said this season has been poor. They've both admitted to making mistakes themselves so your idea that they are entirely blaming others (Gentle) is as ludicrous as ever. I don't think Radford has publically apologised nor am I expecting him to. He certainly needs to get a grip of Hull's attacking play next season but hopefully has brought in players with better core skills to help improve this side of things. He obviously has the respect of the players - this can be seen from the effort and overall for/against this season which is always a marker of that - the team has generally worked very hard but with too little skill, brains and structure to convert that effort into league points. His record in bringing through juniors into the team as well as allowing Westerman to flourish in the role to which he is best suited this year is excellent and hopefully will continue. Not the sign of a 'weak bully' as you pathetically (almost sadly) described him a few days back.

So - a poor season but with some green shoots visible in terms of improved home form at the back end of the season together with some young players being given some opportunities. If the attacking and tactical side of play don't improve considerably next year and we're in danger of missing the 8 again in June/July Radford should rightly be replaced. No question of that.

The above constitutes a balanced view of the situation as I see it. It's always best to be balanced in my opinion as if things go the opposite way to the stance you have taken then you end up looking increasingly stupid. For some (such as yourself) it's the coach's fault when we lose but when we win there's never any praise for him - not a bean. In reality it's a combination of things that determine results, the coach's ability being one (important) facet. Take the last game against Leeds as an example - for 50 mins we defended well but were awful in attack. In the last 20 mins we were excellent. Did Radford coach the first 50 mins and someone else take over after that ? Sounds ridiculuous doesn't it ?

Finally the loaded comment about the lads going out for an end of season beer no doubt with departing and retiring colleagues is another unsurprising but no less pathetic waste of bandwidth on your behalf.

2015, hope we get a lot better, am not arguing on anything else, because you have a set position, as do I.

Great post, Staffs.

All the players were round Town last night even got one of them on video singing karaoke lol

VHS or Betamax?

Got to be Betamax, I will see if I can post it on the normal video site later.

Firstly, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment about the fact that Thompson was signed by McRae/Gentle, so was under the regime where we allegedly paid way over the odds rather than getting good value. I should have included a smiley, I suppose.

Secondly, think it is almost certainly true that some players are overpaid, but I don't think it is the root cause of most of our problems to the extent that it's being portrayed. They will have been just as overpaid last year, but did alright. I have seen little/no acknowledgement of any specific problems this year other than 'too much of the wage bill unavailable to Lee through no fault of his own'. Other than that it's mostly generic stuff about 'poor game management' and 'not enough intensity' (which are both true). Nothing about the strange strategies of persisting with an out-of-form second rower in the centres no matter how badly he played whilst shipping other centres around the country and playing another centre in the second row, still several weeks after he came in and started gaining match fitness (and as soon as Whiting had his op, Sa came into the starting lineup and had a great game, probably the best centre performance of our season), or persisting with a hooker at halfback that has been proven not to work long-term and weakens the hooking position.

I’m not saying there isn’t any acknowledgment of fault in the current setup, or that there shouldn’t be any levelled at the previous, I just think that the balance has been incorrect and in some ways actually unfair/inconsistent. You yourself make the point about some not giving Radford credit when it is due (I’d like to think that doesn’t include me, I have said when I think he’s right as well as wrong), and I think that that is similar to the issue I have with Pearson bashing Gentle/McRae. He has praised Radford a lot for integrating young players into the team (100% rightly so), yet criticised Gentle for not doing it, when he plainly did (IIRC, academy player debuts: Gentle 8, Radford 4, the same average per season). Radford’s recruitment has also been lauded where Gentle’s is criticised, but IMO both have had some notable successes as well as duffers, the only key difference being the wage issue (and a point of interest IMO, is that whilst a focus on British has been mentioned and ‘Australian coaches’ being a problem, I think Gentle’s recruitment was about 55% British, Radford’s has been 45% so far). Pearson has made some claims I consider inaccurate, and whilst I wouldn’t go so far as to say I doubt his word it is fair to say that I am not entirely convinced by it, either, and it is this kind of thing to which that I attribute that.

I’d like to make one thing clear, just so that there’s no misunderstanding at all: I do not think that Pearson has lied. About anything. I do, however, think that he speaks passionately, and can get quite bullish and defensive, which has possibly led in some instances to overstating certain things. At times it has sounded to me like Pearson thinks ‘old coach = bad, new coach = good’. That may just be my interpretation (although I think some agree with me), but I disagree with it being that simple. With what might have gone on, though, I could fully understand why Pearson’s viewpoint might be coloured somewhat.

Tries of the season now online [url=http://www.hullfclive.tv/features/feature-try-of-the-season/here.[/url

Useful, at least, for comparing the pitch sizes, pre and post Allam redesign.

I'd just like to point out that this isn't what I've claimed has been said.



But I do have some agreement with this.



Is he required to?



Don't know if he's outright said, but his post matches have certainly hinted that that's how he feels.



Does it matter?

I guess that depends on whether you consider last season overall as doing alright. Personally, while the 6th place finish was a decent result I don't consider the performances at Wembley or at Huddersfield in the playoffs as doing alright. Your mileage may vary.

And the issue with overpayment is not that it's somehow preventing those players performing to an adequate standard, but more that it's hampering our ability to strengthen the squad and/or replace those players with better/more suitable candidates.

No, I don't think those 2 performances were alright. Far from it. A consecutive 6th whilst also reaching the cup final I consider better than alright, though, hence alright overall for the season as whole. I personally think that 2 shocking performances have overshadowed 2 years of progress (albeit not necessarily enough progress).



I appreciate that point, what I’m saying is that I don’t think this year has been as heavily about the inherited personnel problems as is (seemingly to me) being portrayed. It should not just be down to the quality of players that we still have next to no dummy runners (or options, whatever you care to call them), that our ptb speed almost across the team is poor, that our attacking structure is still so on and off, that our defensive line speed took until about 20 matches in to kick in (our defence in general was worse for a decent of chunk of the season IMO), and that we have been mostly unable to close matches out from winning positions. Yes, personnel changes will improve these to varying degrees, but IMO they should have been better even with those we have now. I would readily accept the state of the squad being a reason for not producing another 6th place, but as far down as 11th is down to those other factors as well IMO.

I don't believe anyone can seriously contend that last season was not a lot better than this season.

6th place is better than 11th whichever way you look at it.

Yes we underperformed at Wembley but at least we got there as opposed to throwing away a match-winning position at home in the first round we played.

The play-off defeat at Huddersfield last year was totally unacceptable but this year we were nowhere near making the play-offs.

There have been plenty of unacceptable performances this year too e.g. Widnes at home, Wakey at home.

I believe next year's squad is already looking stronger than this year's and that we have a right to expect better next year. I'm sure we'll do better but how much better? Hypothetically speaking if we don't make it to Wembley, finish 6th and bow out of the play-offs in the first round with some pride intact will you regard that as "alright" or better than 2013?

I totally agree with everything in this post. Some of the problems and weaknesses you refer to have been evident for years, pre-Gentle and pre-Pearson.

Radford now has a full pre-season with his own players to work on these issues so I expect much better next year.