TBH I'm hoping that's pretty much finished the discussion. Might open one up when we start getting next year's squad finalised as these questions are bound to come up again.

No, we have 5 already this season, and that is the max. Non fed or quota. And you are forgetting Manu.

List is
Quota, Fitz, phelps, O meley Obst (but exempt but still counts on the list)
Non Fed - Manu (exempt) Moa, Lauaki,

You are allowed 5 of either max, which has not changed. You don't count on both lists, hence Willie Fiasco.

Mckinnon therefore whether non fed or Quota is irrelevant.

Nope, mr is correct!

Two lists and players can count on both!

And how can you be exempt but still count on the list?

With apologies to Kosh and Raggytash...

Quota and non-fed trained are separate rules. This only became clear (to me at least) when the RFL issued clarification to explain the Mason situation.

Quota is all about passport. If you have an EU or a 'Kolpak' or a 'Cotonou' passport, you are not quota. In RL terms this effectively means that if you only have an Australian or New Zealand passport, you are quota. Because so many players from the NRL have European or Polynesian heritage this was a very leaky rule. So an additional, but separate rule was created - federation trained.

Fed-trained is all about where you learned your trade and has nothing to do with nationality. For example, England's Gareth Widdop would, unless given a dispensation, count as non-fed in SL. So would an English RU convert, unless he was still in his teens. I'm boring myself now...

Here is the RFL's clarification, in a handy Q&A format...
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The last paragraph of the above article cuts to the chase...

I agree with this. That's what I put in my lists of FC players. I was actually explained the whole scenario by a very knowledgable Rovers ran, as I could not get my head around why the passport debacle with Mason.
2 lists. Max 5 on any list. Hence Rovers had a non fed spot available but not a quota one.

Oh and, if you can count on both lists, then I am guessing that Australians and Kiwis must not be non fed trained.

Ask Rovers! Actually, I am not sure. As I said to MR, I was actually explained this by a Rovers fan re the Mason thingy

Green, Clinton, Dobson, Galea (exempt) and Webster IIRC are the Quota players. Still 5.
They then had as non fed, Vella (exempt), Newton (exempt. might be dobson exempt instead of newton not sure), Fisher (exempt), + I may be missing someone else, but still only 4 no matter what.

So they needed Galea to become non fed, or Mason to come in as non fed in order to get him in, as the Quota list was full.

The bit about exempt, is that I believe they still count on lists for maximum numbers you are allowed, but you can then have upto 10 providing the non fed trained is upto 5, and Quota is upto 5. If you counted on both lists, then this would not be possible.

They would still only have had 5 players that were not "exempt" when Mason came, but the whole switching of Galea from Quota to non fed did not happen. As Galea is "exempt" but still counted on the lists.

This is as I understand things, and it made sense to me when explained. It could also be a load of old tosh, but I don't think so!

Eh? How do you work that out?



Aussies and Kiwis DO count as Non-Fed trained, which is WHY they appear on both lists.

MR's list earlier is spot on. Yours is wrong.

Tbh I know 'the answer, if your exempt your off that said list.

Manu doesn't count on any list for us.

Hkr

Quota

Dobson
Webster
Green
Clinton
Galea

Non fed

Dobson
Webster
Green
Clinton

Vella, Lovegrove, Fisher and Newton don't count on either list.

Fair enough, which is why I said earlier that it was irrelevant then, as both are 5 long. So McKinnon being quota or non fed is irrelevant

Why does Galea only count on one list then and not both? He's an Australian fed trained is he?

Not really, if he's just non fed we could sign a player like obst/galea who are just quota.

Signed pre 2008 so comes off the non fed list.

You are over complicating it mate - and it is bad enough to start with!

'Overseas' Rovers Players that count on both lists: Dobson, Clinton and Green (3)

On the quota list [uonly[/u (here for 2008, so fed-trained dispensation): Webster and Galea (2). 2+3=5, so our quota list is full - that is why we needed to get Mason off quota with a Tongan passport.

On the non-fed list [uonly[/u: 0. This is players like Sam Moa, Lauaki and, we'd hoped, Mason. Cotonou passport, but non-fed and not here for the start of the 2008 season. 0+3= 3. Would have been 4 if Mason had got his passport.

On neither list: Vella (2008 and Maltese), Newton (2008 and UK), Fisher (2008 and UK), Lovegrove (2008 and UK - actually [iclub[/i-trained, which required an RFL dispensation because he wasn't here for the whole of 2007).

For Hull:

On both lists: Phelps, O'Meley, Fitzgibbon (3).

Quota only: Obst (in SL for 2008, but Australian). 1+3=4. You have a quota spot spare.

Non-fed only: Tongans not here for 2008 - Moa and Lauaki. 2+3=5. MacKinnon will be non-fed, even if he's off-quota, so somebody will have to make way.

Neither list: Manu - Tongan, so not quota and here for 2008, so fed-trained dispensation.

The bloke who explained it to you either didn't understand the system or you misunderstood his explanation.

Galea counts on the Quota because he holds an Aussie passport but not on the Non-Fed list because he was here before 2008. That's the 'exemption'. Mason holds a Kiwi Passport and so counted on BOTH the Quota and Non-Fed lists. The original plan was for Galea to get a Maltese passport which would have removed him from the Quota list allowing Mason to join - taking up Galea's Quota spot and the spare Non-Fed spot they already had.

There are a total of 10 places available split between two lists of 5 places each - Quota and Non-Fed. Any player may count on both, one, or neither of the lists depending on:

1. What passport they hold (affects Quota list)
2. Where they first trained (affects Non-Fed list)

The exemption everyone talks about applies to players who were playing in SL prior to the system being introduced in 2008. This allows them to count as being trained here and so exempts them from the Non-Fed list ONLY.

We have 3 players who count on BOTH lists: Fitz, Ogre, & Phelps.
We have 1 player who counts on Quota but is exempt from Non-Fed: Obst (pre-2008 exemption from Non-Fed)
We have two players who only counts as Non-Fed: Moa & Lauaki

Manu counts on NEITHER list as he has a Tongan passport and is exempt from the Non-Fed list under the pre-2008 rule.

So we have a total of 4 Quota slots filled and all 5 Non-Fed slots filled. We could actually sign another Quota player if we could find one who trained here when a youth OR was playing in SL prior to 2008.

And now I'm going to split this out into it's own thread...

Right. So, Galea would not then have counted on either list, if he got his passport (Malta)

In any event, this original discussion started as I said it was not relevant if Wade was Quota or non fed, so as I understand it, that is correct.

Correct about Galea wrong about McKinnon for the same reason I put 5 posts up.

Cool beans! I think I misunderstood!

Cheers mate, that's how I understood things, but was overcompicating (or missing the point) re exempt players. It's that Pesky Galea's fault all of this!

Upon comprehension, I have decided I was kinda right, but inherently wrong!

Cheers chums. Now lets smash Hudds! (quota, non quota, fed trained one and all!)

Once all the pre-2008 exempt players leave the game it should be a lot easier to follow.

yeh but knowing the rfl it will all change again

When certain clubs and moan probably.

All a bit strange when you consider Rhys Lovegrove counts on our quota for homegrown players