If that is the case, then they may find that it doesn't work. It would depend on the reason for refusing a Visa in the first place - if that's what's happened of course.

www.rugbyleaguetoday.co.uk/big-w ... to-arrive/ See this is back in the news ! And still dont understand how hkr can be getting away with the blatant bending of the rules to get mason off the quota ? yet our tongans are on the quota ?

www.rugbyleaguetoday.co.uk/big-w ... to-arrive/ See this is back in the news ! And still dont understand how hkr can be getting away with the blatant bending of the rules to get mason off the quota ? yet our tongans are on the quota ?

Well according to [url=http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-RFL-happy-Mason-quota/article-3060965-detail/article.html[uthis[/u[/url Mason will be Federation trained!!!!

Well that's just driven a coach and horses through the RFL's quota regulations. It also means that we now have two overseas places available if we need to use them.

Ridiculous.

At least now we don't have to worry about understanding them - all those hours poring over the ever-changing fine print.

All I can think is that they've decided the NRL's double-your-money television deal for 2012(?) onwards and maybe the new tax regs, are going to render quotas moot.

Stunning volte face.

Who gives a flying f**K how and when Mason gets here, he's just another Red & White Donkey that needs knocking over when he gets in the way of our boys.

To be fair we only have a second hand quote from the HDM. The national papers arnt very reliable.

So we will just have to wait and see. (Does that mean we only have fitz and Ogre on Quota now if the reports are correct)

If this is the case then the RFL must of been threathen with some kind of lawsuit but somebody concerned as all clubs agree to try and self police this slightly unlawful proceedure.

The quota and salary cap are anti competition, neither would stand up in court if challenged, it's a spit and handshake agreement that clubs can pretty do what they please about. I hope Mason goes well for Rovers, he'll be earning a lot of cash, cause ructions in the dressing room and be targetted by every forward in the game, couldn't happen to a better club!

So in summary:
Rovers fecked up with Galea but had to bring Mason in to avoid looking utter @rses. They knew that, despite the agreement in Perpignan 2007 where all club chairmen, including Hudgell, signed up to a an agreement to actively close loopholes on overseas players, this quota arrangement was legally speaking unenforceable. Rovers have acted directly in contravention of the spirit of the agreement and exposed the quota rules, which were embraced to varying degrees by clubs, and ultimately the RFL, to public and high profile ridicule, purely to retain Galea for one more season. Bet Red Hall are made up. Hope Rule has something to say about this given our current position of 2 quota players. Utter farce.

Yawwwwwwwn. Broken record, Wigan have 8 overseas players, yet they are only allowed 5 too. Go figure....

So basically, Sheldon was right. Hudgell's basically said "try and stop me and I'll see you in court".

If you don't understand, you only have to ask.

This does appear the case and if so really worries me about the people running clubs, Rather then be open and above board and say well we arn't going to follow the rules, They tell everyone they will and then do it behind everyones back.

That's not actually true. The RFL can make up pretty much whatever rules they want for as SL is a private competition and all clubs agree to the rules when they enter. The quota is the more difficult of the two to implement without falling foul of employment law, but the current rules are (or at least were!) within the law.

That's a pretty large leap. The RFL actually has a rule which states that any club in legal dispute with it is automatically suspended from all RFL sanctioned competitions for the duration of the case, plus a legal challenge would likely fail at the point where it was explained to the court that the club had agreed to the rules it was now trying to challenge.

More likely this was a loophole that the RFL either failed to notice or knew about and hoped nobody else would notice.

In any case, I assume that we will now be asking the RFL to make our two Tongans Fed Trained immediately so that we have two additional overseas spaces available. I've previously been dead against too many OS players at the club but if the RFL can't be d then neither can I.

Quote ="east hull FC fan"If you don't understand, you only have to ask.'" Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.

Quote ="east hull FC fan"If you don't understand, you only have to ask.'" Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" So how under them rules is Mason exempt?

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" So how under them rules is Mason exempt?

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" Nothing in those rules explains how Mason (and presumably all Tongan and Samoan nationals) is now considered to be Federation Trained.

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" Nothing in those rules explains how Mason (and presumably all Tongan and Samoan nationals) is now considered to be Federation Trained.

Kinda says it all for me....

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" To be quite honest, I don't give 2 hoots about Mason, he's been past it for 2-3 years now. If you was trying to really improve your squad he wouldn't have got a second look, Clinton is twice the player Mason is now. My gripe was that you tried to justify having 10 non-British players by stating wigan have 8. Wigan have 5 non fed players and 3 using AGREED dispensation.

Quote ="Scott_HKR"Understand what? What NONE of us truly understand is the "overseas quota" and how some players are exempt from it. What I do understand is that a) Mason is on his way, b) I think you lot are gutted that he is on his way, and c) You're thinking of every excuse under the sun as to why he will fail and cause unrest at Rovers. For what its worth, I just found this: www.wiganwarriorsfans.com/wigan/ ... c&o=584195 Its an explanation of quota rules.'" To be quite honest, I don't give 2 hoots about Mason, he's been past it for 2-3 years now. If you was trying to really improve your squad he wouldn't have got a second look, Clinton is twice the player Mason is now. My gripe was that you tried to justify having 10 non-British players by stating wigan have 8. Wigan have 5 non fed players and 3 using AGREED dispensation.

That talks about the quota not non-fed.

We have 5 quota players. End of discussion then is it not?

And for your information mate, Mason and our 300 aussies count as Federation trained, not non-federation.

Quota
Webster
Dobson
Galea
Green
Clinton

Federation
Ben Cockayne
Matt Cook
Craig Hall
Shaun Briscoe
Peter Fox
Ben Fisher - Qualifies due to date joined club, perfectly legal, read the rules
Jason Netherton
Josh Hodgson
Liam Colbon
Scott Wheeldon
Willie Mason - Qualifies due to holding Tongan passport.
Clint Newton - Qualifies due to having English mother, and having English passport.
Michael Vella - Qualifies due to date joined club, perfectly legal, read the rules.

Homegrown - Yes we do have some of these
Kris Welham
Jordan Cox
Liam Watts
Louis Sheriffe
Scott Taylor
Dave Peterson
Rhys Lovegrove - Qualifies as home grown due to age he joined club
Scott Murrell
Sam Latus

It is evident that the RFL allow Tongan etc. players to be counted as Federation trained (as they did PNG players), that is not my fault, that is not Morgan or Hudgell's fault, that is just the way it is.

Anymore questions?

Only for people who don't actually understand the discussion. Or what the Quota is. Or the differences between Quota, Fed Trained, and Non Fed Trained.

That would be you, then.

A couple wrong there nick but nice try.