Ah, well!! Nearly objective achieved!!! Doubt any of us were too surprised as to how last night panned out.
Onwards and (vaguely) upwards we go.

To cut a long story short! I would guess that didn't work out too well either.
We don't need this pressure on!!

That is true.

In Tony we trusted

iwould take Pele any day over Gardiner

I know they do, we have done for years but it’s clearly not working with the lightweight kids we have in. The forwards need to pick up the slack. Several times last night, only 1 forward took a drive in per set.

That's because we're not fit enough and spend too much time defending and forwards take 3 tackles to get back behind the ball. Add in shorter and passive defence and our sets invariably start within 10 metres of our own line

Whatever the issue, it needs addressing. The back rowers should be getting more involved. Either way we aren’t making yards, resulting in kicking from deep and inviting full sets to defend in our half. Can excuse the likes of Moy or Martin not making metres but not McIntosh, a senior player, who instead of belting back into the line, is crabbing across the pitch, throwing drop offs and speculators, one of which was miles forward.

If he was signed as a 5th/6th choice prop then maybe, but he's wearing the no.10 shirt, is taking a quota spot, and the club heavily hyped him up with the merchandise, so I think fans are right to expect more from him

If only we’d have dropped Okunbor and played balmforth like people have been shouting on here for years , we might have taken the 2 points last nights eh …. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it ! Coaches galore

Yeah, Radders just wasn't backed finacially after delivering us our greatest times in modern history, and that cost us losing one of the best coaches in the business. He was still savvy enough to bring in some cheap gems like Ratu, Satae and Swift. And while we went backwards, he went on to be part of the coaching staff that took Samoa to the World cup final.

And nearly got cas relegated. One of the best coaches in the business? That's the funniest thing I've seen in a long time

What a stupid post. Okunbor needed dropping, and Balmforth was one of the positives from the other night. Not a single person suggested that making those changes would bring us a result, just that we might look better for it.

Balmforth 16 tackles 1 miss
Houghton 36 tackles 5 misses
So pretty comparable

On another point
Sutcliffe 8 tackles 6 misses
Litten 16 tackles 7 misses

Easy to see where saints got some success. The 2nd row/centre partneship and the half defending out there is so important. Poor structure, fatigue and lack of familiarity with each other all contributing factors but we definitely need better 2nd rowers

Must admit I was getting very frustrated at the amount of times Sutcliffe rushed in to tackle the 2nd rower leaving Martin to tackle Hurrell and Makinson

and centres
Always said Sutcliffe was a poor signing and you can now see it

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Agree we do like to blame individuals- it’s been confirmed he lacks confidence. You would be reticent to have a hit up if you are low on it. Some dubious man managers on here stating he’s lazy he’s stealing a wage etc etc without knowing the ins and outs. We all know he’s playing crap but telling him isn’t the solution. But this is a forum so heyho. We can only get better but how quick?

So do we keep playing okunbor until he gets some confidence or do we pay him to sit around or play in the reserves? The guy isn't even a proper 2nd rower

Will probably end up in France, either at Toulouse or playing RU.

id stick to basketball

hes been crap full stop. But new broom so lets give him another go. As long as Grix thinks hes ready who knows he might get better.

Just played in the reserves
as an Ex NRL player playing with young lads in the reserve league you would think he would have had a storming game but his name wasnt even mentioned in the report.
That really bothers me
personally dont think he will be here much longer.
If he stays until the end of the season i would play him on the wing and use his height with crossfield kicks to the corner as we dont have any running strike accross the field

How much territorial dominance/field position have we been in this year to use anybody for crossfield kicks?
Lovely sentiments though.

We have no one in the team who can even kick with any accuracy

Conversions not a strong point either but obviously that's not a top concern right now