Josh Griffin our top metre maker last night (119m) off the bench.

AP had had the club 10 years - are you seriously suggesting anyone should be patient after 10 years ??
unless you own Cleveland Browns

AP wanted success quick and basically he’s had not much at all and we no longer can be patient - why should we or he be ?

Need to be more Clinical when playing the top teams , bombed way to many chances first half and even 2 at the start of the second . What shaul offers I don’t know , even out of position on the wing , he offers nothing no more , he’s just a number instead of playing with 12 men . Taylor was knackered from the beginning , his fitness is shocking and embarrassing for a professional athlete, he was just walking the ball in after the first few minutes. Once hodgson gets his own team , hopefully next season we’ll be challenging. Not a million miles away at the minute .

Surprised at that. I thought he seemed quiet. Shows what I know

Jack Brown made 32 tackles last night without missing one. Bet there isn't many players who make over 20 tackles without a single miss against Saints. Brilliant defence from him last night.

A top team nearly at full strength reacts after a big defeat. I see what your saying now.

Have you forgotten about the Challenge Cup wins?

Think the manner in which we ended up losing was quite frustrating, due to the fact we probably should of lead at half time. Some very questionable pressure relieving penalty given by the ref, especially the tackled in the air one deemed to be made by Macintosh who had eyes and hands on the ball.

I cannot grumble at all about the first 40, I thought Satae, Mau, Sao and Brown all played amazing, aggressive ran the ball in with venom and looked majorly up for it as always.

The second half, il watching certain players and they are showing nowhere near the fight and commitment of those I've mentioned above. As soon as Saints got on a roll it looked liked Griffin gave up, you watch back one of there tries and he just doesn't try, same with Shaul who just watched Hurrell rather than attempt to tackle him, it's just not good enough from those two and I'd be very surprised if either are included against Wigan.

I think one thing Hodgson is get wrong is bring players back into the fold who clearly arnt 100 percent match fit. We now have the reserves to get players up to scratch fitness wise. Did Griffin or Taylor play any reserve minutes to get match fit? I don't understand why were wasting bench spots on players who are blowing after 15/20 minutes, it's costing us on the pitch. I'd say this really needs addressing as does our fitness in general, we were also blowing at halftime vs Rovers. I understand Taylor and Griffin probably played more mins due to the Fash injury but surely you've got to plan for the scenario a player does get injured.

Saints away you expect to get beat, I think with some intelligent tweaks we have the foundations of a good team, looking forward to Trueman joining as he d of mopped up a couple of times with his support play an area we're glaringly lacking, why isn't Reynolds anywhere near the potential offloads?

Next game if fit, Mitch has to come in at left centre with Swift on the wing.
Evans in for Taylor until he's match fit and can learn to run onto the ball with momentum like Sao, Satae, Mau and brown did.
Griffin into the reserves until fit.

Organising half back with a kicking game needed. I'd be looking to use an overseas spot for a ressie grade with a point to prove.

We didn't 'miss out'. He was coming until Huddersfield offered him more.

Your won’t get abetter chance to beat Saints this season…..
Think you might actually be a slower team than my team!

Jake Connor's defending is absolutely dismal - that and his temperament probably cost you 14 points last night.

The other thing I noticed was your tackling technique wasn't much improved from the last time you played Saints. You need to quickly get two men up top and one man round the legs to stop their very powerful ball runners - too often you get two players up top but there's no-one round the legs until you've conceded another 5-10 metres.

Disappointed. But we have just lost to a team who are levels above anyone else. I predicted with the team we have at the start of the season coming 5/6 . Still think that. We aren't good enough yet to challenge for the top. But we are building. I think some need to to realise that. It's all well and good slagging every tom dick and Harry off but we haven't the personal just yet. 3/4 isn't a bad return and a win against Wigan will see us remain to get in the playoffs

of course not
I love the CC but let’s be honest as it’s a 4 round knock out comp
There’s no World Club match for the winner

They’re not even that good and were busted up. Everyone else has just been that as for a few years !

another poor loss and well who’s gonna start
Taxi for Brett ?

In English please?

Have you been in Wetherspoons since it opened early this morning?

You need to pace yourself.

It's funny how some twist things to fit there agenda. Well let's do that. Say am a saints fan. Going into last nights game . We should really be hammering hull. Full back who over rated and show pony. Winger who's a full back. Young centre who's just started playing in that position. Other winger out most of last season just finding his feet. Stand off who's the worst overseas signing ever. Hooker playing scrum half. Prop hardly played in 2 years. Hooker who most want rid off years ago. Bench of Griffin who really shouldn't be near any team. JJ same. If we can't put 50 on this lot the coach needs sacking. Funny aint it

Disappointed with the performance last night , Two weeks to prepare for a game and yet again we looked like a team that had just met . Going to Saints will always be tough but the way we played especially the second half we looked clueless with ball in hand options , support play and kicking game .

Right edge and left edge were chalk and cheese last night. Darnell and Carlos were great, the others not so much. Saints knew what they were doing and constantly threatened our left side, and reaped the rewards. The one thing you must do against Saints is tackle and tackle hard. Unfortunately that didn't happen and we all know what happened.

We had a week off

The Wigan saints derby is far more intense than any hull/rovers Derby yet we always use the tired excuse after a normal Derby even a week later

The only half back they had was playing with 1 arm pretty much

"Nearly at full strength" what a forward in the centres, a youngster at half back

No grace, Dodds, hopoate, amor

Sick of our fans constantly rolling out excuses season after season no wonder we've never won a grand final with that mentality

You do realise Saints have been the benchmark team for the last 4/5 seasons?

We are very much a work in progress.

Absolute rubbish. Do you really believe what you post?

Ruptured bicep

You been living under a rock last 7 days?