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| Quote ="Sheldon"It shouldn't be allowed for quota.'"
I think it should, short term, just till the end of the year or else their quota players may not be able to get another club and no fault of there own.
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| Quote ="BIGARR"I think it should, short term, just till the end of the year or else their quota players may not be able to get another club and no fault of there own.'"
I agree. Not the players fault and for some to have travelled halfway round the world to play on the basis of a contract to then be told "tough, go home" is a bit much.
Oh and can we have Lulia please
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| Quote ="BIGARR"I think it should, short term, just till the end of the year or else their quota players may not be able to get another club and no fault of there own.'"
If it was only till the end of the season then I could live with it.
But if you wanted to sign one of their overseas players on a 2 year deal then they should be back on quota next season, as should their cap value.
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| Quote ="Chris28"I agree. Not the players fault and for some to have travelled halfway round the world to play on the basis of a contract to then be told "tough, go home" is a bit much.
Oh and can we have Lulia please
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Why not?
Happens all the time.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"If it was only till the end of the season then I could live with it.
But if you wanted to sign one of their overseas players on a 2 year deal then they should be back on quota next season, as should their cap value.'"
I think they should be excempt fo the duration of the deal that the player had in place with the bulls. If someone has 18months left on their bulls contract then they should be excempt from the cap and quota for that duration only. If they find a new club and they want to extend the deal, then they should count on both the quota and the cap.
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| Quote ="chico's nose"I think they should be excempt fo the duration of the deal that the player had in place with the bulls. If someone has 18months left on their bulls contract then they should be excempt from the cap and quota for that duration only. If they find a new club and they want to extend the deal, then they should count on both the quota and the cap.'"
Why?
We could end with clubs with 13 overseas players, it doesn't help.
If your quota's full you miss out.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Why?
We could end with clubs with 13 overseas players, it doesn't help.
If your quota's full you miss out.'"
Sport is in the entertainment industry and by simply saying "tough luck, pack your bags" to overseas players because of a situation that they have no control under would severely impact super leagues ability to attract quality (entertaining) overseas players going forward.
I remember traveling to Australia in 2000 and was shocked when I picked up an RL magazine that had a 4 page spread on overseas players not been paid the money that they had been promised by English clubs. The majority of the article focussed on Peter Walsh (that name still makes me shiver) and Gary Lester, who surprisingly, painted a very bad picture of our club. There was no mention that any shoddy shenanigans that might have taken place were conducted and carried out by a previous regime and the article left the reader thinking that this was how our club and the game in general was run in this country. It did make me wonder for how many years this type of publicity could have impacted on our overseas recruitment.
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| Far too much serious discussion and not enough wild speculation on this thread.
I heard the same three names mentioned from Bradford yesterday (Crookes, Kopzcak and Whitehead). Also been told that Chase was all but signed but his recent misdemeanours have caused things to stall somewhat (he was the big name half back we were in for). I'm also led to believe that Paea is the prop and that deal is now a case of dotting i's and crossing t's. So who the 4th guy already confirmed is I'm not so sure, but looking at the balance of the squad I'd guess he's a utility back. Just to pluck a name out of the air how about Luke Gale as half back/full back cover?
I have no proof of any of this btw, just what I've been told by a few different people with varying track records.
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| Quote ="chico's nose"Sport is in the entertainment industry and by simply saying "tough luck, pack your bags" to overseas players because of a situation that they have no control under would severely impact super leagues ability to attract quality (entertaining) overseas players going forward.
I remember traveling to Australia in 2000 and was shocked when I picked up an RL magazine that had a 4 page spread on overseas players not been paid the money that they had been promised by English clubs. The majority of the article focussed on Peter Walsh (that name still makes me shiver) and Gary Lester, who surprisingly, painted a very bad picture of our club. There was no mention that any shoddy shenanigans that might have taken place were conducted and carried out by a previous regime and the article left the reader thinking that this was how our club and the game in general was run in this country. It did make me wonder for how many years this type of publicity could have impacted on our overseas recruitment.'"
I know it's an entertainment business, our entertainment has gone down because we were to reliant on overseas players and now the money isn't there anymore we haven't got quality overseas players or many quality youngsters coming through.
I don't know why you care about recruiting overseas players, the money isn't there anymore.
Concentrate on paying your youth players who could stay with your club for a decade.
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| Kopczak would be the best signing out of all of our players imo and I would he picked up alot from lynch. Whilst whitehead and bateman in particular are cleary going to get more attention, there are less good young props, and I believe Kopczak is one of the best around.
Panther clearly knows some bright people as those rumours are accureate. Crookes is on board, and elima is looking likely. Having watched alot of elima, he lifts the team massively and other teams dont like playing against him so id say he would go really well for you.
Kear is much better than crookes imo, but it may be too late to change your mind. Anybody who gets lulia will get a match winner, real classy player in the mould of Hape. Kearney is quality in attack also but on big £££/
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| I have no problems with Bulls players getting exemption from the quota for clubs willing to honour their current deal, but any contract length over that they should then count. But cap exemption should only be for the remainder of this year.
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| Quote ="slideby"Kopczak would be the best signing out of all of our players imo and I would he picked up alot from lynch. Whilst whitehead and bateman in particular are cleary going to get more attention, there are less good young props, and I believe Kopczak is one of the best around.
Panther clearly knows some bright people as those rumours are accureate. Crookes is on board, and elima is looking likely. Having watched alot of elima, he lifts the team massively and other teams dont like playing against him so id say he would go really well for you.
Kear is much better than crookes imo, but it may be too late to change your mind. Anybody who gets lulia will get a match winner, real classy player in the mould of Hape. Kearney is quality in attack also but on big £££/'"
Koppy and Bateman would be my first choices, would love Lulia but think we have sorted our centres.
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| Brough is moving back to Hull and wants to come but we will have to pay a hefty transfer fee to get him. Doesn't appear to be much better out there so will be intresting if we do pay a fee would lay down a marker.
Might be worth having a look at Luke Gale as an option.
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| I don't know if anyones asked this before on here (and I cant be bothered to go searching through all the pages ), but with the 6 players AP mentioned, do Watts and Pitts count toward them?
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| Quote ="fc casual"Brough is moving back to Hull and wants to come but we will have to pay a hefty transfer fee to get him. Doesn't appear to be much better out there so will be intresting if we do pay a fee would lay down a marker.
Might be worth having a look at Luke Gale as an option.'"
FFS.. How many times?? Wrong on both counts
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| Quote ="Sheldon"I know it's an entertainment business, our entertainment has gone down because we were to reliant on overseas players and now the money isn't there anymore we haven't got quality overseas players or many quality youngsters coming through.
I don't know why you care about recruiting overseas players, the money isn't there anymore.
Concentrate on paying your youth players who could stay with your club for a decade.'"
It’s a fine mix imo. Developing youngsters must be of paramount importance for any club. However, the quality is not there for there to be no overseas players at all. The overall quality of RL in this country would simply decrease without a mix of our Australasian friends.
I feel for the Bulls players in this and expect the RFL to be flexible with some of the rules in an effort to ensure as many Bradford players as possible find another club should the situation get that bad. Allowing any Bulls players to be exempt from the cap or the quota for the duration of the deal they have in place with the Bulls surely isn’t too much to expect?
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| Quote ="Airliebird94"I don't know if anyones asked this before on here (and I cant be bothered to go searching through all the pages
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Nope. The 6 signings mentioned are for next season so Watts and Pitts don't count.
There's been quite a lot of discussion about that statement (it's in the thread about Pearson's interview), mainly about whether or not Ellis and Arundel and included in the 6. The general consensus on here is that they're probably separate to the 6.
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| I'm not one for posting to a rumours thread but I do enjoy reading the comments, however, having said that I was talking to someone linked to a top amature team who has connections at Hull who told me last night that Hull had secured a deal with a Cas player whos been linked to Hull in the past. Its a done deal apparently and will be announced as soon as. Both clubs and the player are happy according to my source. I just thought I'd share it with you all. I cant really say if I believe it to be true as its just a rumour at this time and probably will remain one.
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| Quote ="Monko"I'm not one for posting to a rumours thread but I do enjoy reading the comments, however, having said that I was talking to someone linked to a top amature team who has connections at Hull who told me last night that Hull had secured a deal with a Cas player whos been linked to Hull in the past. Its a done deal apparently and will be announced as soon as. Both clubs and the player are happy according to my source. I just thought I'd share it with you all. I cant really say if I believe it to be true as its just a rumour at this time and probably will remain one.'"
Danny Orr swap for Ellis?
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| I fooking hope we haven't signed Chase. The guy is a penis.
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| Quote ="Monko"I'm not one for posting to a rumours thread but I do enjoy reading the comments, however, having said that I was talking to someone linked to a top amature team who has connections at Hull who told me last night that Hull had secured a deal with a Cas player whos been linked to Hull in the past. Its a done deal apparently and will be announced as soon as. Both clubs and the player are happy according to my source. I just thought I'd share it with you all. I cant really say if I believe it to be true as its just a rumour at this time and probably will remain one.'"
Richard Owen has been linked in the past.....
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| I'd be happy if we signed Owen to play on the wing. I think he's much better there than at fullback.
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| Owen signed a contract extension at the start of the year, though.
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| Quote ="Panther"Richard Owen has been linked in the past.....
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That's who I thought, covers fullback and wing.
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| Quote ="Panda92"Nope. The 6 signings mentioned are for next season so Watts and Pitts don't count.
There's been quite a lot of discussion about that statement (it's in the thread about Pearson's interview), mainly about whether or not Ellis and Arundel and included in the 6. The general consensus on here is that they're probably separate to the 6.'"
Cheers
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