Now i am a massive fan of Craig Hall but all i can say to that is......

Mis-quoted again your honour!!

TBF he may well go on to be a better player, but he'd deffo have to change clubs

Or Agar would need to leave to give him his chance and feel that his coach believes in him!

What you have to bear in mind is that this is the same RBA who told me in the same pub on Saturday that Scott Wheeldon was a shoe in for starting prop for England next month!



I blame the beer and watching Hull City for messing with peoples minds...

Whatever you're smoking, I'll have some please.



Our squad is miles away from being as good as either of those sides, let alone better.

Ive said it all along and still believe it, whether anyone else does or not.

Full backs - R Horne and Motu not many better than either of these.
Wingers - Calderwood, Raynor and Briscoe all pretty good given the right service
Centres - Yeaman is class given the service, other spot is debatable.
Stand off - R Horne or Washy - we struggle in the halves
Scrum half - Thorman - worst 7 in the top 8 currently.
Props - match for any side in the league with Cusack, Dowes, Radford, Thacks, Maloney, Moa etc Can all lay the platform.
Hookers - Berro, Lee and Houghton, not many better in SL.
Second rows - Tickle, Manu and Burnett - do as good a job as anyone else in SL.
Loose Forward - Washy, top 3 or 4 in SL.

Only thing stopping the players above being top 2 or 3 is the way that they go out there as a team and play. imo!

Confirmation that Dave is just an incy bit, well, sorry to offend, crazy!

I believe that i said he may be in the squad given that Tony Smith has said that he is going to give new players a chance. As far as "shoe ins" are concerned, i think i just reserved that for Briscoe, Fox, Welham, Colbon, Cooke and Murrell.

I get slated for being negative and then called crazy for being positive, i'll just be quiet shall i!!

You only get slated by the sycophants, shouldn't worry about it bud, some people don't like (or value) honesty, hell, some even actively discourage it (if you know what I mean).

I don't share your opinion on the evaluation of the squad, any side still trotting out Radford, Tickle, G.Horne and the likes isn't going to trouble Saints or Leeds. (In my opinion, of course)

Now now Crazy Dave T your imput is valued on these boards.

You rate our squad players but not the coaching or tactics. Many agree.

Top 2 though?

Ok, top 3 then!!

Radford, Tickle and Horne are no worse than a Paul Clough, and for me its not about the big names like Wilkin, Flannery and Gilmour for example its how they operate as a collective pack. On our day our pack is more than a match for Saints or Leeds, weve shown that over recent seasons. We just dont do it consistently but for me they can lay a platform, we are probably just short from a tactical and from a half back point of view.

Long and Pryce are where Saints win games as are McGuire/Sinfield and Burrow imo.

Thats better. Saints and Leeds still lead the way but the next 8 or 9 teams can all realistically challenge for 3rd.

Any of these sides have a settled team and hit a winning streak can suddenly find themselves right amongst the leaders.

See Rovers for evidence.

Yep. I am certain that we will find some form when we can finally get a settled side on the pitch.

Oh so you'd rather him say that they all think they're world beaters?

It's not about having a settled side, it's about having a capable squad. We've had our share of injuries this year but dealt with it because of our squad. Take Scott Wheeldon for example, IMO our best prop in the past 5 games but he wouldn't have got a chance if Vella, Fozzard and Lovegrove were all fit.

Hull FC have no right to be in the top 4 but the players seem to think they do (there was a similar article with Houghton a few weeks ago). That (as well as having a poor squad) is part of the problem, in my unbiased opinion...

I am saying all these sides have capable squads!

By settled I am talking more about pivotel positions.

In 2006 when we went 13/14 games unbeaten we had Swain, Horne and Cooks almost ever present. This helps enourmously with game plans and the like. Every side will have injuries!

The Hull players don't believe they have a right, what utter crap. They believe they are good enough to finish there and have belief that they will finish there. Nobody has said they have a right.

Morgan said Rovers were targetting the GF, does that mean he thinks you have a right?

Top 2 is too far for me, however after Saints and Leeds there are a bunch of 6/7 sides who all have little between them. I believe Hull are one of those sides and providing we play to our potential then I could see us finishing in the top four.

"If we can make it three from three we could go as high as third place and that's exciting, we could be heading back to where we belong in the table."





After finishing 11th last year, it makes you wonder how Thorman has came up with that conclusion.

They believe they are good enough to be in the top 3/4 and they were there after the first 5/6 games, simple really.