Erm, are you deliberately missing the point? You must be - no one is that thick.

Hey, i didn't say it was perfect, but it's better than the current one!!

Anyway, i'm standing for Hull in the local elections. With my new policies have i won anyones vote??




Seriously though, the benefits system is a major problem and does need overhauling/policing properly. I don't have the answer, but it's not my job to (thank god). I don't know what it should be but there are still too many people sucking the life and money out of genuine workers. People who pop kids out for more money for example.... Just my opinion, not popular i know..... I'm not here to make enemies and don't want to offend but the system is wrong you surely can't disagree!!!

Not at all, my point related to what you were saying.. If i had paid for a higher level of service or 'opted in' to the NHS scheme i would be covered, if not i pay.... I had to pay.. simples!!!

It really didn't. You seem to have problems reading. Or at least comprehending what you have read.

The job that I am in now, I got through the job centre. I am now using my degree to work towards a Qualified Teaching Status.



Why should they get an office job just because they have a disability?



Mozel Tov for been so great.

Oh, please explain yourself in more simple terms for thick old me oh great one

Point 1: That's my point. Taking a job you may or may not neccessarily want but gives you what you need to further your career and learn one you do want, you clearly never sat on your ar5e and watched the cash come flooding in!!

2: Why not?? Why should they get free money just because they have??If it's a job they can do un-aided then so be it, that's life!!

3: Thanks, but i've never said i'm great!

People starving to death on the streets and/or dying from preventable diseases/injury is better than what we have now?

Really?


Nobody - and that includes Labour - pretends that the current system is perfect. Certainly there are reforms that could be introduced. But you aren't advocating reform - you're advocating a move to a system that would kill people. No matter how shiftless and idle some folk might be, the death penalty seems a tad excessive wouldn't you say?

It's also the case that benefit scrounging is massively overstated in terms of it's impact on taxation. If you're looking for a way to pay less tax I suggest you look at the loopholes that allow rich folk to legally avoid paying tax at all and clamp down on the illegal tax dodgers. Far more money to be clawed back there. And we spent more money bailing out the banks than we lost in the last few decades of benefit scrounging.

You're missing his point. He found work through the job centre - i.e. using the system you want to throw away.


That is, however, the impression given by many of your posts. For the record, I get nothing from the state either but that doesn't mean I begrudge my tax money going to those in genuine need.

I never found the job for over 5 weeks, so yes, I claimed JSA. Would you have rather me gone without money for them weeks? What happens if I came out of Uni with no family to back to, no money and no student loan. Homeless and starve? And to say a person should do a job just because they can't do anything else is ridiculous, so a young person with a disability can only aspire for an office job!?

Since you asked nicely:

You were advocating a system whereby you could 'opt out' of paying NI contributions and pay for your healthcare privately. Now, ignoring the fact that NI contributions do not fund the NHS, how do you suggest that those who cannot afford to 'opt out' of the NHS fund their healthcare?

To put it in simple terms for you, if everyone above a certain income threashold 'opted out' of paying for the NHS there wouldn't be enough money going into it to provide healthcare for those below that threashold. Particularly when you consider that the poorer you are, in general, the more health problems you will have.

Yes, but it's so much easier to go into a Littlejohn-style rant about benefits cheats than it is to consider the actual facts of the situation.

You still haven't said how you think people would survive without any income whilst they look for a job. Or, for that matter, how they would fund their job search.

I used to think like you at your tender age but when you hit the big 50 things change - less jobs become available and health problems suddenly crop up - i'm nearly 57 and have always managed to find work except for three months on the dole in 1996,I have just been given notice of redundancy which means in two months I will effectively probably never work again - it won't be through the lack of trying,i'm not lazy and am still relatively fit ( need a new knee but that will have to wait) so what do I do ? i'll get a few grand redundancy money and some dole money - my missus is registered 80% handicapped plus is fighting cancer - go on,give me a clue FC Wembley 08,how will we manage to survive ?

Perhaps a system which stays similar to how it is but to claim your benefit, you must work...

There's plenty to be done 'voluntarily'... If you want to get paid, you work!!

Some of you lot are taking it far too literally.... where have i said i want people to starve or die?? Nowhere... So stop being stupid!! My actual point was that people are quick to not work and to claim benefits often for trivial circumstances...

The NHS is paid for from the N.I. contributions and from the taxing system. Either/both ways we pay for it!!

Yes i appear to be picking on benefit cheats and i know they're not the only issue but mabe ask the question why tax dodgers do what they do, are they not happy with the way their money is spent?? It all needs sorting out!! Top to bottom!!

You are perfect for my system sir!! You've paid your way and served your country.. You're in, just the sort of person i need in my political party!!

thanks,I feel honoured to be included but will you feed me & the missus and pay our bills ?

If there are tasks that need performing, then jobs should be created with a proper wage and conditions.



Your point was that people should only be entitled to benefits once they had paid in for a number of years. If they didn't meet this requirement, they should get nothing. So, how do you propose people exist with no income whatsoever?

Your other point was that you'd like people who could afford it to be able to opt out of funding the NHS. So how do you expect poor people to fund their healthcare?

In short, what you have done is to propose a system without giving a moment's thought about the practicalities of that system. When those who have thought about it have taken you to task over your preposterous suggestions, you've resorted to telling [ithem[/i to stop being stupid.



Why do you keep repeating this? A quick Google search would tell you what NI contributions pay for.



So it's ok to dodge paying your taxes if you don't like the way the tax pot is spent? Ask yourself why you're so happy to sit there making excuses for those who are responsible for a massive shortfall in tax revenues, whilst symultaneously banging on those who account for a relatively small amount of lost revenue by comparison.

Of course.... I've got £billions to go around after what i've saved. I've alledgedly killed a few hundred thousand people aswell so population control is working well!! England's overcrowded anyway so that's a help.

So that's You, your missus and me... Should be a good wage each that, we'll live like kings!

Been given nothing? Ever, your entire life has had every aspect privately funded? I find that somewhat hard to belive tbh.

I think it's unbelievable that councils up and down the country are making cuts and yet the houses of parliament and MP's have taken absolutely no cuts whatsoever. Why do we need 650 MP's? Way too many, cut the number to 500. Why do we pay expenses for Scottish MPs to stay in Westminster and vote on English policies? How much do you think that you MP claims for office expenses which basically involves their partner opening letters at home and answering the phone? The whole Westminster system is set up to feather the nests of self centred public school boys and the like and until that changes I'm afraid us decent working people will always be dumped on.

I've said previously that the 1st place i'd reform would be the houses of parliament. As none of the political parties are better than each other i'd propose simply removing political parties altogether and having 650 independants. The cost savings would be phenominal from not having to fund election campaigns etc. That would be the tip of the iceberg re savings but it would never happen.

Fwiw this 1400 isnt as bad as the press make out. (from what i can see) Correct me if i'm wrong but the total is 1700, 300 are vacancies to be absorbed and 1100 have opted for voluntary redundancy. That leaves a max of 300 compulsory redundancies. Yes it's not nice but it's not on the scale of some job losses. (and after local councils have mis-managed themselves for years this has been a long time coming)

What he said!!

Maybe if MP's had to pay a £1 fine everytime they avoided giving a straight answer to a question we'd soon have that deficit wiped out! And as for the House of Lords, total waste of space and money.