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| Quote ="Kosh"We're spending up to the cap limit, and have done with (I heard) one exception for years. There is no more money to spend on players no matter how much cash we generate.'"
But we do seem to scrimp on the coach, which is surely the most important area to spend money in?
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"says it all...weve got too many crap players on good money......and who will we be signing for next season? will sharp
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This has been admitted and the club is in the process of changing it's pay policy as a result.
There have been years of mismanagement of recruitment and retention. With the best will in the world it's not going to be fixed in one season.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"But we do seem to scrimp on the coach, which is surely the most important area to spend money in?'"
You'll get no argument from me there.
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| Quote ="Kosh"This has been admitted and the club is in the process of changing it's pay policy as a result.
[size=200There have been years of mismanagement of recruitment and retention[/size. With the best will in the world it's not going to be fixed in one season.'"
thats an understatement..the fact that radford has a new 2 year deal is the biggest joke ive heard for ages, when is the club going to sort that out!!??
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| Quote ="Ian Weather"Coaches are defined by what they achieve at the end of each season. This is Agar's third 'end of season' and each has ended in disapointment. While there has been promise and hope, we only have to look at what has been achieved at Wigan and Warrington to see what can be achieved by a quality coach working with with quality players, and that reflects very badly on Mr Agar.
I dont think that anyone doubts that we have some high quality players at Hull FC but - what could we achieve with a good coach? I cant stop thinking that Warrington is where we could be! Make no mistake - the Wolves have overtaken us and are much more worthy claimants of 'top four' status than we are.
We're also rans.
We're mid table.
We're underachieving. Massively.
[uWhat are we going to do about it[/u?'"
Going by what we've done in previous years, continue to buy passes and shirts in record numbers.
Seriously, I agree with everything you say. For all people say we've been crying out for a scrum half, we've got one now but he's got no runners to work with.
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| Quote ="berro's best mate"thats an understatement..the fact that radford has a new 2 year deal is the biggest joke ive heard for ages, when is the club going to sort that out!!??'"
I'm not Radford's biggest fan by any means, but the alternative was going into next season without enough props.
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| Quote ="Kosh"We're spending up to the cap limit, and have done with (I heard) one exception for years. There is no more money to spend on players no matter how much cash we generate.'"
Yes we are AFTER signing Long, Fitz and Ogre. But prior to that we could have thrown money at other players who were under contract.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not Radford's biggest fan by any means, but the alternative was going into next season without enough props.'"
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not Radford's biggest fan by any means, but the alternative was going into next season without enough props.'"
Still is with Cusack and Dowes going. At least we might see Moa for more than 2 x 5 minute stints a game
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| Quote ="Kosh"This has been admitted and the club is in the process of changing it's pay policy as a result.
There have been years of mismanagement of recruitment and retention. With the best will in the world it's not going to be fixed in one season.'"
We've had 3 years of coaching mismanagement by someone masquerading as a super league coach and calling themselves Richard Agar, with another 2 seasons of the same rubbish to come. That should be the boards first priority, binning him!
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| As I posted in a previous thread, when I hear James Rule spout on in the media about Agar "needing time to get his players and build his team" one name proves that Rule is talking a load of s**t.
Michael Maguire
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| My take on Agar.
A solid season without being spectacular. The squad has become stronger and we have improved our position in the league dramtically.
Still work to do but we have a much better platform next season for a year ago.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"My take on Agar.
A solid season without being spectacular. The squad has become stronger and we have improved our position in the league dramtically.
Still work to do but we have a much better platform next season for a year ago.'"
Far too sensible that statement paul, you didnt mention sacking the coach or slagged any players get a grip man!!
better team won end of story, holidays for a month now in florida !!!, will be booked and paid for tomorrow, live with it, and move on ...
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| Quote ="PAUL M"My take on Agar.
A solid season without being spectacular. The squad has become stronger and we have improved our position in the league dramtically.
Still work to do but we have a much better platform next season for a year ago.'"
yeh but still not good enough all this nonsence about weve improved on the last 2 seeason ect is rubbish its not that hard to improve on finishing bottom and next to bottom if you dont include the promoted teams. for a team of our size and the money that is spent after winning the challenge cup and finishing 2nd and getting to a grand final we should of progressed and built on that but we dint and now coz weve had a year were weve finished 6th and havent won a playoff game again some people see that as progress and are quite happy with the season
just not good enough
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| Quote ="PAUL M"My take on Agar.
A solid season without being spectacular. The squad has become stronger and we have improved our position in the league dramtically.
Still work to do but we have a much better platform next season for a year ago.'"
Not sure 12th to 7th is "dramatic". It's still worse than 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007.
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Yes we are AFTER signing Long, Fitz and Ogre. But prior to that we could have thrown money at other players who were under contract.'"
So in other words we do spend cash, just not the way you'd prefer?
We've certainly mismanaged the budget for years IMO, although the three players you mention wouldn't have been on my list of those where we've wasted cash. I thought last season's recruitment was more or less spot on given the need to rebuild the squad and players available.
You can't spend too much cap on a single player in case they get injured or miss a load of games for any other reason. See Bradford for details.
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| Quote ="arliebird"yeh but still not good enough all this nonsence about weve improved on the last 2 seeason ect is rubbish its not that hard to improve on finishing bottom and next to bottom if you dont include the promoted teams. for a team of our size and the money that is spent after winning the challenge cup and finishing 2nd and getting to a grand final we should of progressed and built on that but we dint and now coz weve had a year were weve finished 6th and havent won a playoff game again some people see that as progress and are quite happy with the season
just not good enough'"
So you don't think 12th to 6th is an improvemnt?
Jeez
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Far too sensible that statement paul, you didnt mention sacking the coach or slagged any players get a grip man!!
better team won end of story, holidays for a month now in florida !!!, will be booked and paid for tomorrow, live with it, and move on ...'"
Hang you've been talking about going to Old Trafford for the past 3/4 weeks. Just watch the lads go, they're right up for it you said. What happened to all that brovado? The coach and quite a number of the palyers aren't good enough, fact. Iif you want to bury your head in the sand then that's up to you, the rest of us feel massively let down.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Far too sensible that statement paul, you didnt mention sacking the coach or slagged any players get a grip man!!
better team won end of story, holidays for a month now in florida !!!, will be booked and paid for tomorrow, live with it, and move on ...'"
but to some people the future and now of hull fc is important and means alot and just to get over it to some people isnt as simple as that.
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| Quote ="Kosh"So in other words we do spend cash, just not the way you'd prefer?
We've certainly mismanaged the budget for years IMO, although the three players you mention wouldn't have been on my list of those where we've wasted cash. I thought last season's recruitment was more or less spot on given the need to rebuild the squad and players available.
You can't spend too much cap on a single player in case they get injured or miss a load of games for any other reason. See Bradford for details.'"
Im just saying we could have looked at other options and not just out of contract players.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"So you don't think 12th to 6th is an improvemnt?
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Paul that's because 12th was an abomination. Finishing 6th and being rolled over at our own gaff by our biggest rivals is nothing to shout about.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"So you don't think 12th to 6th is an improvemnt?
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so what do you think of finishing 2nd in 2006 to finishing 6th in 2010 after finishing bottom and next to bottom the last 2 seasons?
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Going by what we've done in previous years, continue to buy passes and shirts in record numbers.
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Summed up by a guy as I was leaving the ground. His 2 daughters were very disenchanted with the performance and the eldest said 'I've just had enough of them now Dad, I don't want to bother next year thanks'. The other agreed.
His response?
'Well I'll get them anway, might as well.'
This is why we're dire and the club don't care.
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| Quote ="Smiggs"Paul that's because 12th was an abomination. Finishing 6th and being rolled over at our own gaff by our biggest rivals is nothing to shout about.'"
We finished 7th. Placings restated after play-offs.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"We finished 7th. Placings restated after play-offs.'"
does it really matter wether its 6th or 7th either way it isnt good enough
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