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Both look to be confirmed very soon according to league Express.
Dale Ferguson going to Giants though!
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True or not, I'd be happy with that, a second rower to come and we'll be complete.
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Aye just been reading and if they both come it makes our Prop situation look a lot more healthy, with Fifita, England, Hirst, Walker and then Allgood and Huby. As for the Second Row, if we can afford another great, especially if he'll add something to the starting 17 but we're not short with Kirmond, Ashurst, Arona, Molloy, Annakin & Crowther all there.
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If we sign these 2 then try n get Harrison on loan we'd have a good squad which looks a lot stronger than this time last year anyway
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| Quote ="Shifty Cat"Aye just been reading and if they both come it makes our Prop situation look a lot more healthy, with Fifita, England, Hirst, Walker and then Allgood and Huby. As for the Second Row, if we can afford another great, especially if he'll add something to the starting 17 but we're not short with Kirmond, Ashurst, Arona, Molloy, Annakin & Crowther all there.'"
don't forget Batchelor! he will be knocking on the door this season! we've enough second row cover I think. |
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"don't forget Batchelor! he will be knocking on the door this season! we've enough second row cover I think.'"
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Looking good in the pack if these two do come!
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Why cant people just be happy with this why the need to tag on a S/R which frankly we don't need.
We now have five huge forwards what more do you want. If anything it's a hooker we need however I'd have thought even the most ordinary hooker would thrive behind that lot.
Stunning signings if correct.
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Can`t comment on Allgood as I just do not remember seeing him play. Huby on the other hand is proven top quality. In his final year at Cas he was a class act, think he may have got an England call up on the back of that season. I would go so far as to say Huby could be the most gifted player we have signed for a good few years, ( Tim Smith was a joy to watch ) . I think he is the complete prop forward. I really like England who plays a different style but Starting with England and Huby with Fifita and Anakin on the bench makes us look pretty tasty.
Agree with some of above posters, second row is not a priority, another back row would be a luxury that I do not think we need, What we do need is a dedicated 9.
If the Huby signing is true then hats of the MC and his comrades for getting him to BV.
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Heard Allgood turned up at Mika Simon's digs for a look around.
Sounds v positive. Time to smile again hopefully.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Can`t comment on Allgood as I just do not remember seeing him play. Huby on the other hand is proven top quality. In his final year at Cas he was a class act, think he may have got an England call up on the back of that season. I would go so far as to say Huby could be the most gifted player we have signed for a good few years, ( Tim Smith was a joy to watch ) . I think he is the complete prop forward. I really like England who plays a different style but Starting with England and Huby with Fifita and Anakin on the bench makes us look pretty tasty.
Agree with some of above posters, second row is not a priority, another back row would be a luxury that I do not think we need, What we do need is a dedicated 9.
If the Huby signing is true then hats of the MC and his comrades for getting him to BV.'"
You must be on the wind up - Anakin is not a prop and I seriously doubt he will get a game this year and certainly not one at prop, let it go. Both Hirst and Allgood are way ahead and the back row is well catered for.
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Yes, I agree there.
Annakin is not a prop, and do feel that even in the back row next season, his chances will be limited
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| Quote ="vastman"Why cant people just be happy with this why the need to tag on a S/R which frankly we don't need.
We now have five huge forwards what more do you want. If anything it's a hooker we need however I'd have thought even the most ordinary hooker would thrive behind that lot.
Stunning signings if correct.'"
I'm not suggesting we need a second rower, but I'd heard a few weeks since that we would bring in two new props and a second rower, hopefully Huby and Allgood are the props. |
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| Quote ="JINJER"I'm not suggesting we need a second rower, but I'd heard a few weeks since that we would bring in two new props and a second rower, hopefully Huby and Allgood are the props.'"
I know what you meant but for me these two negate the need for me. I believe Allgood can play SR if needed so maybe there is your utility value.
A Lautiti style player would be great but I don't think that will happen. If we do get another SR I suspect it will be a JK special. |
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Who is going to do your tackling Vasty, As England found out with playing both Burgess twins having 4 huge men fill your 4 x prop positions means that in most cases you are vulnerable to the quick play of the ball scoot type play that is prevalent in SL, plus in general the big boys get tired and again your defense suffers, that is why props of less stature who defend well, are quicker back in the line, normally play longer are vital in the 17. Now As said I have not seen Allgood but he is a big unit In my opinion England, Huby, Fififta, Algood and Hirst will be competing for three spots, Anakin , Arona etc will be competing for the 4th prop position, ie a more athletic role rather than a beast who carries.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"Who is going to do your tackling Vasty, As England found out with playing both Burgess twins having 4 huge men fill your 4 x prop positions means that in most cases you are vulnerable to the quick play of the ball scoot type play that is prevalent in SL, plus in general the big boys get tired and again your defense suffers, that is why props of less stature who defend well, are quicker back in the line, normally play longer are vital in the 17. Now As said I have not seen Allgood but he is a big unit In my opinion England, Huby, Fififta, Algood and Hirst will be competing for three spots, Anakin , Arona etc will be competing for the 4th prop position, ie a more athletic role rather than a beast who carries.'"
Even if I agreed with that philosophy or thought that Anakin was especially gifted at tackling it still doesn't hold up. Following your logic then why not play Webster or Arona who both offer more at prop. As I say let it go for your own sake.
I hate having to deride a player I actually like to prove a point but your attempts to make him into a latter day Bell or JT does him no favours - the world has changed.
Finally last years two best teams Warrington and a Hull had huge packs so please tell me who the 5'8" props who were the cornerstone of there defence? |
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Be happy with those two.
the Scott Moore situation is an ongoing headache I'm not sure how we are going to resolve though, if he goes then we must sign a specialist hooker.
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I would suggest any second row options would only be if they improve our stock. We don't need to rush for numbers.
Assuming we sign these 2 props, only the hooking role remains to be resolved IMO.
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Yes, I would agree with that TRB.
As for the argument of large units in the front row, I see the argument from both.
A bit front row unit is less likely to be dominated by the larger backs, but bigger units do struggle sometimes defensively, in getting low. Some have a tendency to struggle in bending backs as easily, it is about body shape rather than laziness.
I liked Arona, and ended up as our top tackler. As a club that leaked points toward the end of last season, this shouldnt be ignored. Maybe have your big units in the front row, with maybe Arona, moving into the second row, with Ashurst, and Sio at loose.
If Arona was to be used as a back rower, that could solve the back row issue, just leaving a hooking spot to possibly fill, but who?
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While we're talking Scott Moore, does anyone know if he's been training with the squad? I wondered if he'd been put on "gardening leave?"
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Think he is on Community Service leave, Wakey council are using him to mentor children in Cas on how to steel cars, drive while drunk, avoid arrest, take drugs, not take responsibility, get the best out of benefit system, getting tasered and beating up the police. Wakefield council want to make sure that the skills set in Cas is not diminished.
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Scott Moore last heard of suspended and under investigation by club - presume we wait for his bail to be answered on the 8th before the club will be in a position to make a decision.
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If both Huby and Allgood join I think we'd have the biggest pack we've had since 2010. Of course it isn't just about size...Charlie Leaeno was big but soft.
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6'4" & 17st 7lbs +
Hirst
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Allgood
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Huby 6'2"
Walker 6'0
Arona 6'0
Not a small pack by any means.
I'd have liked us to prise Mullaly away from Leeds, who don't seem to rate him
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Fifita is about 18 stone 7llbs.
Allgood is tall at 6 foot 4 inches but IMHO he is by no means really heavy at that height at 17 stone so if the quota spot becomes available he may be a good acquisition having some experience in the second row. His stats for last year show he was very strong defensively and seemed useful going forward in a weak KR team. Arona can then focus on a more effective position for him at 13. Met Arona and he is the same height as me 5 foot 10 tall but is a genuine stocky 16 stone.
Seeing a fit Huby (of 2 years ago) competing with England, Fifita, Hirst, Allgood and Walker for the front row positions at Trinity would be a very healthy position to be in. 
After the Charle Leaeno comment I ended up reading this old thread from 6 years ago and it was interesting seeing the players names mentioned and the issue around imports v Uk players....
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Fifita is about 18 stone 7llbs.
Allgood is tall at 6 foot 4 inches but IMHO he is by no means really heavy at that height at 17 stone so if the quota spot becomes available he may be a good acquisition having some experience in the second row. His stats for last year show he was very strong defensively and seemed useful going forward in a weak KR team. Arona can then focus on a more effective position for him at 13. Met Arona and he is the same height as me 5 foot 10 tall but is a genuine stocky 16 stone.
Seeing a fit Huby (of 2 years ago) competing with England, Fifita, Hirst, Allgood and Walker for the front row positions at Trinity would be a very healthy position to be in.
After the Charle Leaeno comment I ended up reading this old thread from 6 years ago and it was interesting seeing the players names mentioned and the issue around imports v Uk players....
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