You can go through a hundred different reasons why we weren't good enough today and in many games this season but the main thing was the players didn't look like they could be bothered right from the start! You compare that to say Wigan last night who had a team full of young un's who were up for the 'fight' (mostly too up for it!) and you think will our coach ever put the fire in the bellies to inspire the team to greater things??

I don't think thats 100% fair on a few players today.

Dan Smith ran is blood to water for us.

I'd like to see the stats and see who it is in the side that isn't clearly producing. We need to be strong and aggressive across the park 1-17 week in week out and we're not.

Dan Smith has been a great signing but he is only 21 and is getting some serious game time due to his form but he is only 21 and this is his first Super League season... His should be a supporting not leading role with our seasoned 'professionals' that are not turning up anywhere near enough in relegation season.

Think we were also a prop light on the bench today.

I thought that. Is fairbank a back rower? Raleigh and Shulver injured or just Agars typical bafflement? Godinet on the bench so long is just criminal. Sammut is wasted at full back in a team like ours we don't bring him into the game enough. Agar out I'm sick to the back teeth of his dopey ways

Same old wakey 2 decent results and then a complete no show by most of the team today.

Probably the wrong thread but dare I say agar out because the squad we have should be doing much better than was served up today.

So far were the worst side I have seen and I am typing this as bradford are losing 42 10

Simply nowhere near good enough

And he might just be playing for the opposition come next season.

I think that is unfair. A lot of those players worked their backside off.

I'll agree to disagree and 50 points conceded and the manner of some of the trys would imo back me up

I would say some rather than a lot.

Surely it goes without saying that they should try the problem was the skill level was terrible, i dont really get this oohh they tried hard i expect it dont you.

thought Kirmond gave his all again bye the lad is he missing Tim Smith to put him through a gap ,we are also missing Ali a hell of alot

We were poor from minute 1 to minute 80, a very disappointing performance and Cas were everything that we weren't.
Committed, determined, skilful, disciplined and they got away with murder in the ruck, laying on in the tackle and moving off the mark to play the ball was a disgrace.
But, we helped them, especially in the first half by gifting 2 of their tries and giving up possession on the first tackle.
Sykes not trusting Walshaw and leaving a gap that my gran could have run through.
Cas wanted to play and we just turned up.
Kirmond tried his hardest but, far too many players played their "D" game, instead of bringing their "A" game to the Etihad.
No plus points from todays game but, at least Bradford, London and Salford (and HullFC) have also lost this weekend.

We were poor today, but that's been a blip in a run for a side that has improved, if not always won. Who do you replace Agar with?

Somebody who can inspire 17 players to perform to the best of their ability?

Great summary for me that...spot on....

Sometimes dont think we are smart enough in the tackle and around the ruck and are too 'fair'....jumping off too quick and putting ourselves under pressure....if ref aint blowing for it be a bit smarter....Cas absolutely murdered us there and it gave Clark a field day, which a player of his ability will always exploit...

And he/she is?

Sykes after match interview "Cas wanted it more than us". well thanks for the insight into the attitude inside the dressing room paul because that is not acceptable - its tantamount to an admission that you couldn't be d.

Watched a bit of sky news and Wellens apologised for the performance that Saints put in and said" fans deserved better than that they pay good money to watch us" just shows the difference in attitude.

Speculating?

Just because he's from Cas I'm guessing. I should think signing any Wakefield player is low priority to any team in SL not least Cas.

If we get relegated I'm reckon he will be snapped up as a prospect but I wouldn't assume Cas.

Maybe we they are problems that contribute to our performances but they are very minor. Had them problems not been there I think we would of still been beaten by a large margin. The mind set of our players was the biggest single contributor to this and other dire performances under this coach.

Always a terrible comment, things might not work out, players may perform poorly, everyone may have an off day. Want should never come into it, particularly in a derby match in a relegation season.

This just adds fuel to the fire that Agar can not motivate his players.

Heard a rumour that his agent was touting him around and Cas were interested. Whether that is just to drive his value up in negotiations with us I don't know but he is out of contract at the seasons end and given the uncertainty regarding what division we will be in it wouldn't surprise to see him take the safe bet. It's ok though, the RFKL say relegation is the way forward for the competition and it's clubs......

Coming from Sykes who did appear to want it that's damning isn't it. Seeing as the supposedly past it Sykes has probably given us the best two moments of the last two weeks - a win - and a fine try yesterday, bless his old legs that will have hurt

He may or not have tried his heart out but other than the try he gave us very little else. And his kicking was abysmal.

Not sure what he could do TBH, he's made a niche for himself as an exploiter of the gaps made by other not by himself. He's not a classic HB we know that but at least against Widnes he had the vision to take on the line and create a match winning moment. Which other pivot player would have done that or finish off Riley's break. Truth is at the fag end of his career he is probably still our best HB (whose playing at HB) and that's in a position he's relatively new to - tragic really.