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| Apologies that the copy is a bit crude, but you get the gist!
Sent be e-mail yesterday and copied to members of the press:
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| Excellent letter. I look forward to their reply !!!!
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| Very good letter, it will be interesting to see what spin is put in their reply.
Just as a note, as it doesn't really matter, its Lee Gaskell not Dean and Adam Henry not John.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"Very good letter, it will be interesting to see what spin is put in their reply.
Just as a note, as it doesn't really matter, its Lee Gaskell not Dean and Adam Henry not John.'"
Only 2 wrong then!
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| The only suggestion I would make is on the copy you have made public, obscure the address. Other than that, exactly the right tactic.
If there are sound reasons, let's hear them, and give us a chance to understand. I just hope silence doesn't speak a thousand words.
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| I look forward to seeing a reply to this
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| An excellent letter and you did exactly the right thing copying in the press. To often things are done privately and the RFL can just ignore them.
We will see if the RFL will be as open and transparent as Maurice Watkins suggested in his report a year or so ago.
We will learn whether the RFL plan to be consistent in the application of the rules or whether the executive will play favourites.
Your letter is not just good for your club it is good for the game in general.
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| I wonder if you will get a reply. I wrote to them asking why the Bulls got docked half their Sky money while Wakefield didn't. I'm still waiting for a reply.
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| Quote ="debaser"I wonder if you will get a reply. I wrote to them asking why the Bulls got docked half their Sky money while Wakefield didn't. I'm still waiting for a reply.'"
I'll answer that for you. It was because you agreed to it as part of your continued presence in SL. The first two seasons in SL we got no sky money so I wouldn't complain about getting half.
Oh and Wakefield hadn't had 1.2m in a secret loan from the RFL prior to their admin.
Hope that helps
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| Great idea, we all await the RFL's response with eager anticipation.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Great idea, we all await the RFL's response with eager anticipation.'"
You'll need a sleeping bag, a kettle and some haribo's.
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| Quote ="Tricky2309"I'll answer that for you. It was because you agreed to it as part of your continued presence in SL. The first two seasons in SL we got no sky money so I wouldn't complain about getting half.
Oh and Wakefield hadn't had 1.2m in a secret loan from the RFL prior to their admin.
Hope that helps'"
I remember at the time of our promotion the outrage voiced by Bradford fans at the lack of financial support offered to us.
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| I wonder if I can guess the RFL's response.
It'll be either:
a) I''m sorry, you misunderstood, we meant that if you go into admin you will have to reapply for your SL membership and this is far from guaranteed. You could even find yourselves in C1.
b) I'm sorry, the deciding factor is whether you owed outstanding funds to HMRC. If you did then we have no choice but to relegate you to C1.
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c) Wait until it's clear whether OKBulls left residual debt to HMRC or not, and then choose a or b as appropriate.
Let's just get on with winning enough games to get into the top 12.
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| Sums up what we all feel and think Ian
Quite frankly after watching Trinity for 53 years I am close to jacking it in because the game has become a joke and no longer played out fully on the field. More column inches are attained by politics and perceived mismanagement at the RFL
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| Quote ="debaser"I wonder if you will get a reply. I wrote to them asking why the Bulls got docked half their Sky money while Wakefield didn't. I'm still waiting for a reply.'"
I'm sure I read somewhere that the other SL clubs voted for that as a condition of the Bulls remaining in SL after their last insolvency event, as a protest against the RFL's underhanded secret bail-outs and the lies and spin that followed.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I'm sure I read somewhere that the other SL clubs voted for that as a condition of the Bulls remaining in SL after their last insolvency event, as a protest against the RFL's underhanded secret bail-outs and the lies and spin that followed.'"
As usual, it was never made clear if the SL clubs asked for this, so Bradford wouldn't gain an financial advantage, or if Omar Khan offered it, in what was basically a bribe and the clubs accepted it, but it was a deal between the clubs not between Bradford and the RFL.
btw the letter is asking the right questions of the right people.
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| Quote ="childofthenorthern"As usual, it was never made clear if the SL clubs asked for this, so Bradford wouldn't gain an financial advantage, or if Omar Khan offered it, in what was basically a bribe and the clubs accepted it, but it was a deal between the clubs not between Bradford and the RFL.
btw the letter is asking the right questions of the right people.'"
Looking at all this from a different angle, one wonders if the RFL's extensive package of 'help' for the Bulls has actually been a hindrance? The club has lost all credibility amongst fans of other clubs, I would imagine that any wealthy investor is going to think twice about getting involved after watching the governing body help them to shaft OK and probably most damaging, they're now operating on 50% Sky money. On top of all that, if Nigel Wood cares at all about the RFL's reputation and standing in the game, they'll have to start the season on negative points.
With friends like Nige, who needs enemies?
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| Quote ="Trinity 61"Sums up what we all feel and think Ian
Quite frankly after watching Trinity for 53 years I am close to jacking it in because the game has become a joke and no longer played out fully on the field. More column inches are attained by politics and perceived mismanagement at the RFL
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This, I have been a Hull KR "fan"40 years and gave up last year after so many corrupt decisions by the RFL,they chop and change to suit them.
If that's the way they want the sport then I cant carry on supporting it,best team sport in the world but corrupt due to the guys running it.
Rules and transparency ? not a change with this lot.
Latest laugh is the Sky deal being rushed thru,that day it was the bee's knee's,this week people are having 2nd thoughts.
Short term fix for the clubs but lets hope in 5/6/7 years time costs are the same coz Sky wont be contributing anymore,deal is done.bed is made. #enjoy
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| [urlhttp://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/10983763.Beleaguered_Bradford_Bulls_face_fretful_fortnight/[/url
At least two of the comments hint that the reply shouldn't take long as the RFL were in the meetings (my tongue is in my cheek).
When I commented on Friday that there will be no point deductions as the RFL were involved, in order to break a stalemate over the transfer, Adeybull commented on its accuracy.
"The board’s view has always been that if creditors are let down in any way, shape or form then that becomes a very tangible and obvious breach of the insolvency policy.
“If they are not let down, that supports an argument to avoid a sanction"
The comment in bold is the get-out, even though in our situation it merited a reduction in the sanction, not an avoidance.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Looking at all this from a different angle, one wonders if the RFL's extensive package of 'help' for the Bulls has actually been a hindrance? The club has lost all credibility amongst fans of other clubs, I would imagine that any wealthy investor is going to think twice about getting involved after watching the governing body help them to shaft OK and probably most damaging, they're now operating on 50% Sky money. On top of all that, if Nigel Wood cares at all about the RFL's reputation and standing in the game, they'll have to start the season on negative points.
With friends like Nige, who needs enemies?'"
I don't think we're in a particularly healthy place for the reasons you mention plus we no longer own the lease to Odsal but are still responsible for the up keep. I think Nigel Wood has had significant help in the mess from Peter Hood's regime and Omar Khan's appointment of Ryan Whitcut to run the club.
Very wealthy fan is probably our only option for putting money into the club but despite multiple chances to do so no-one matching that description has come forward. We've still got some significant sponsors and not a bad fan base so I'm not totally downbeat.
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| Looks like the RFL may 'lose' this letter..
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| "The board’s view has always been that if creditors are let down in any way, shape or form then that becomes a very tangible and obvious breach of the insolvency policy.
“If they are not let down, that supports an argument to avoid a sanction"
And so the charade continues.
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| Quote ="TRB"Only 2 wrong then!
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My excuse is "advancing years", what's yours
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| Quote ="bren2k""The board’s view has always been that if creditors are let down in any way, shape or form then that becomes a very tangible and obvious breach of the insolvency policy.
“If they are not let down, that supports an argument to avoid a sanction"
And so the charade continues.'"
So administration isn't a breach? It's just how you deal with your creditors.
The meetings to come are about how to spin the decision leaked by the Bulls' press release on Friday, not how to respond to the breach.
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| Are the directors of the new Bulls ownership company, former directors of the old ownership company?
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